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openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova: api-ref: Parameter verification for os-interface.inc https://review.openstack.org/315318 | 00:34 |
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openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova: api-ref: Example verification for os-interface.inc https://review.openstack.org/315934 | 00:37 |
openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova: Set 'serial' to new volume ID in swap volumes https://review.openstack.org/257135 | 00:38 |
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openstackgerrit | Michael Still proposed openstack/nova-specs: Spec for the vendordata reboot. https://review.openstack.org/310904 | 01:06 |
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openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova: api-ref: Example verification for os-interface.inc https://review.openstack.org/315934 | 01:10 |
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mriedem | johnthetubaguy: you can drop the -2 on this now https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293104/ | 01:13 |
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openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: Remove mox used in tests/unit/api/openstack/compute/test_server_start_stop https://review.openstack.org/306232 | 01:29 |
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mikal | mriedem: have you read this aggregates in the api db spec? | 01:33 |
mriedem | mikal: doffm's spec? i read one of the previous patch sets, haven't been throuh the latest | 01:34 |
mikal | mriedem: that's the one | 01:34 |
mikal | mriedem: I'm thiknking throught the query load on the api db | 01:35 |
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mikal | mriedem: wont this change mean any schedule request will require a read in the api db if there is an aggregate specified? | 01:35 |
mikal | mriedem: that seems like it might be a scalability problem | 01:35 |
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mriedem | mikal: i think alaski and jaypipes were talking about that today, might have been johnthetubaguy during the scheduler meeting | 01:36 |
mikal | Hmmm, ok | 01:36 |
mikal | I might comment on the review and see what people pooint me to | 01:36 |
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mriedem | mikal: the scheduler is in the API cell with cells v2 | 01:37 |
mriedem | mikal: are you worried about compute cells hitting the API DB? | 01:37 |
mikal | mriedem: oh, interesting. I don't think I realized that. | 01:37 |
mriedem | there aren't 2 levels of schedulers with cells v2 | 01:37 |
mriedem | at least not right now | 01:37 |
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mikal | mriedem: I presume that will be a performance problem at some point | 01:37 |
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mriedem | mikal: maybe | 01:41 |
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alaski | mikal: definitely comment on the review and I can leave a more thorough answer during my tomorrow | 01:43 |
alaski | the short answer though is that scalability of the scheduler is a concern, but we're not attempting to solve it with cells partitioning | 01:43 |
alaski | the scheduler is being thought of as a separate entity within Nova, which needs a global view of things | 01:44 |
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alaski | and it may or may not be partitioned for scale, but not necessarily along cell lines | 01:45 |
alaski | but I can write up more tomorrow | 01:45 |
* alaski & | 01:45 | |
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mriedem | what he said | 01:48 |
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mriedem | mikal: jay wants to eventually get a bunch of the existing scheduler filters to just be DB queries | 01:48 |
jaypipes | mikal: every call to select_destinations() *currently* retrieves all aggregates in the entire system. :( | 01:48 |
mriedem | which should help with performance | 01:48 |
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mikal | alaski: that summary would be good to have, even if its not in that spe | 01:50 |
mikal | jaypipes: well no, it retrieves ever aggregate in the child cell, yes? | 01:51 |
mikal | But yeah, I think what mriedem and alaski says makes sense, so I have removed my -1 from the spec | 01:51 |
mriedem | so yeah, all aggregates for all compute nodes across all cells at the top level scheduler, might have issues | 01:52 |
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openstackgerrit | Ken'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Switch api unit tests to use v2.1 API https://review.openstack.org/313901 | 01:53 |
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mikal | So, yeah, there might be tens of thousands of nodes, with possibly thousands of aggregates. | 01:54 |
mikal | So the dataset and query load might be quite high. | 01:54 |
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jaypipes | mikal: actually, I think bauzas fixed things so not every call to select_destinations() we load all aggrgates... | 01:58 |
jaypipes | mikal: I think there is a scheduler_client call that updates the view of aggregate to compute host mapping now. Lemme hceck. | 01:58 |
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jaypipes | mikal: yeah, we only update the aggregates list in the scheduler processes when a host is added or removed now (or when an agg is created/deleted) | 02:00 |
jaypipes | mikal: never mind, back to your reguylarly scheduled programming. | 02:00 |
mikal | Heh, ok | 02:00 |
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openstackgerrit | Wenzhi Yu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Modify Nova API to reject invalid operations on physical servers https://review.openstack.org/283904 | 02:13 |
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openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova: WIP: Add REST API support for get me a network https://review.openstack.org/316398 | 02:24 |
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openstackgerrit | ChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/nova: objects: Fix invalid uuid in scheduler unit tests https://review.openstack.org/316791 | 02:36 |
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openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/nova: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/316951 | 03:01 |
openstackgerrit | Jay Pipes proposed openstack/nova: Removing dummy mac address in the dhcp conf during shelving https://review.openstack.org/85249 | 03:01 |
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openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/317195 | 03:02 |
jaypipes | are you still trying to get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92899/ in? It just passed its second review birthday :( | 03:06 |
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tonyb | jaypipes: Wow, I thought that had landed | 03:09 |
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openstackgerrit | Jay Pipes proposed openstack/nova: Make neutronapi get_floating*() methods return objects https://review.openstack.org/115749 | 03:10 |
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sorrison | anyone here know about nova policy.json. There seem to be duplicates in the default policy.json | 03:54 |
sorrison | eg. os_compute_api:servers:update or compute:update which one do you use? | 03:54 |
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openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/nova: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/316951 | 04:41 |
openstackgerrit | venkatamahesh proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Update the home-page with developer documentation https://review.openstack.org/317242 | 04:44 |
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openstackgerrit | ChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/nova: Fixes invalid uuid usages in functional tests https://review.openstack.org/316723 | 05:01 |
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openstackgerrit | Sharat Sharma proposed openstack/nova: Added a sample file for Add Floating IP request action. https://review.openstack.org/317255 | 05:24 |
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openstackgerrit | Ken'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Remove legacy v2 API tests which use wsgi_app() https://review.openstack.org/313192 | 05:38 |
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openstackgerrit | Wenzhi Yu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Move calculation of 'disk_available_least' to ResourceTracker https://review.openstack.org/293272 | 05:50 |
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openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: api-ref: parameter verification for os-server-groups https://review.openstack.org/315394 | 07:02 |
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openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: api-ref: parameter verification for os-hypervisors https://review.openstack.org/316681 | 07:41 |
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openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/nova: [WIP] Testing latest u-c https://review.openstack.org/303345 | 08:10 |
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openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: api-ref: parameter verification for os-aggregates https://review.openstack.org/315517 | 08:14 |
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openstackgerrit | octopuszhang proposed openstack/nova: Allow irrelevant,self-defined specs in ComputeCapacityFilter https://review.openstack.org/317306 | 08:16 |
bauzas | good morning Nova | 08:18 |
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* johnthetubaguy does an english policeman style "Mooorning" | 08:22 | |
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ildikov | johnthetubaguy: morning :) | 08:29 |
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johnthetubaguy | :) | 08:29 |
ildikov | johnthetubaguy: have you seen my mail about the meeting slot? I should hide for a while now I guess... :S | 08:29 |
openstackgerrit | octopuszhang proposed openstack/nova: Allow irrelevant,self-defined specs in ComputeCapacityFilter https://review.openstack.org/317306 | 08:30 |
openstackgerrit | Dao Cong Tien proposed openstack/nova: Enables Py34 tests for unit.compute.test_compute https://review.openstack.org/317311 | 08:30 |
ildikov | johnthetubaguy: I didn't think it's this hard to find one single slot that works for us and IRC as well... I blame Monday though, don't push buttons on Monday! | 08:30 |
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johnthetubaguy | ildikov: hehe, yeah, I am leaning towards Monday, as Tuesday is when I generally eat/cook, but it could work | 08:32 |
ildikov | johnthetubaguy: ah ok, let's see what others say then | 08:32 |
johnthetubaguy | ildikov: I will reply, it sounds like we could use the cp meeting room at the old time, possibly? | 08:32 |
openstackgerrit | Ken'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Remove legacy v2 API tests which use wsgi_app() https://review.openstack.org/313192 | 08:32 |
ildikov | johnthetubaguy: I tried to keep Tuesday as for folks in the US Monday means early Monday morning, which might not be the luckiest choice | 08:33 |
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ildikov | johnthetubaguy: which one do you mean old time? | 08:33 |
johnthetubaguy | ildikov: good question, Tuesday 17utc | 08:33 |
ildikov | johnthetubaguy: Tuesday is the latest new time, but no meeting channel at that slot | 08:34 |
johnthetubaguy | ildikov: even #openstack-meeting-cp? | 08:34 |
ildikov | johnthetubaguy: I'm kind of pretty good as there are two slots I think when all the meeting channels are taken and I managed to find one of them... | 08:34 |
ildikov | johnthetubaguy: yeah, even that one, pretty annoying | 08:35 |
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ildikov | johnthetubaguy: I had an old calendar loaded into Outlook somehow and this slot was almost empty, it must've been a really old one by accident :( | 08:35 |
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johnthetubaguy | ildikov: I guess its that slot for west coast + europe | 08:37 |
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ildikov | johnthetubaguy: probably, but still, only Tuesday is full, I'm ashamed not catching it earlier | 08:40 |
johnthetubaguy | ildikov: it happens, I just updated my ical link, there are lots of meeting now!! | 08:40 |
ildikov | johnthetubaguy: yeah, I was kind of impressed, it looks like Big Tent is working well | 08:41 |
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openstackgerrit | Ken'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Remove APIRouter of legacy v2 API code https://review.openstack.org/313902 | 08:43 |
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openstackgerrit | Pavel Kholkin proposed openstack/nova-specs: keypairs-pagination support https://review.openstack.org/239663 | 08:51 |
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openstackgerrit | Pavel Kholkin proposed openstack/nova-specs: keypairs-pagination support https://review.openstack.org/239663 | 08:55 |
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openstackgerrit | Dinesh Bhor proposed openstack/nova: Return 400 HTTP error for invalid flavor attributes https://review.openstack.org/313234 | 08:58 |
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openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova: Add a RequestSpec generation migration script https://review.openstack.org/302828 | 09:02 |
openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova: Verify requested_destination in the scheduler https://review.openstack.org/314509 | 09:02 |
openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova: WIP: API changes for verifying the scheduler when migrating https://review.openstack.org/315572 | 09:02 |
openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova: Resize API operation passing down original RequestSpec https://review.openstack.org/312009 | 09:02 |
openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova: Add requested_destination field to RequestSpec https://review.openstack.org/312757 | 09:02 |
openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova: Cold migrate using the RequestSpec object https://review.openstack.org/284974 | 09:02 |
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openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: api-ref: parameter verification for os-server-groups https://review.openstack.org/315394 | 09:05 |
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openstackgerrit | Ken'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Remove APIRouter of legacy v2 API code https://review.openstack.org/313902 | 09:12 |
openstackgerrit | Ken'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Remove legacy v2 API tests which use wsgi_app() https://review.openstack.org/313192 | 09:12 |
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openstackgerrit | Markus Zoeller (markus_z) proposed openstack/nova: deprecate s3 image service config options https://review.openstack.org/314697 | 09:32 |
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openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: api-ref: parameter verification for os-hypervisors https://review.openstack.org/316681 | 09:45 |
openstackgerrit | Moshe Levi proposed openstack/nova: pci: Move PCI devices and PCI requests into migration context https://review.openstack.org/307124 | 09:46 |
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andrearosa | markus__: hi, is there the bug team meeting today? | 09:46 |
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markus__ | andrearosa: yes it is. I'm updating the wiki right now. It's at 18:00 UTC this week. | 09:47 |
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openstackgerrit | Zhongcheng Lao proposed openstack/nova-specs: Propose blueprint scalable-metadata to Newton https://review.openstack.org/317353 | 09:48 |
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andrearosa | markus_z: ok thanks, I am quite sure I can't attend it I have some points/questions to discuss I'll add for the next week meeting. | 09:52 |
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openstackgerrit | Huang Zhiteng proposed openstack/nova-specs: Attach/detach instance access from Manila shares https://review.openstack.org/310050 | 10:11 |
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BobBall | Â /lastlog -hilight | 10:19 |
BobBall | :) | 10:19 |
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ccard | Is it possible to regenerate instance_info_caches.network_info for an instance which has lost its network_info data? | 10:25 |
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openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/nova: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/316951 | 10:41 |
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kashyap | Nice clean-up, ready for merge - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292826/4 | 10:43 |
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markus_z | BobBall: Can I close that or do you want to keep it open? https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1026552 | 10:53 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1026552 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "XenAPI pool based migration should error when not shared storage" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 10:53 |
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BobBall | yup - closed as wont fix | 10:53 |
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markus_z | thanks | 10:54 |
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openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: api-ref: parameter verification for os-aggregates https://review.openstack.org/315517 | 10:58 |
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johnthetubaguy | gibi: I am wondering what you think about this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248248/11/specs/newton/approved/consistent-instance-actions.rst@255 | 11:02 |
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openstackgerrit | Matthew Booth proposed openstack/nova: Add a lock() context manager to image backend https://review.openstack.org/279625 | 11:04 |
openstackgerrit | Matthew Booth proposed openstack/nova: Rename Raw backend to Flat https://review.openstack.org/279626 | 11:04 |
openstackgerrit | Matthew Booth proposed openstack/nova: Rename Image.check_image_exists to Image.exists() https://review.openstack.org/270998 | 11:04 |
openstackgerrit | Matthew Booth proposed openstack/nova: Only attempt to inject files if the injection disk exists https://review.openstack.org/250872 | 11:04 |
openstackgerrit | Matthew Booth proposed openstack/nova: Remove deprecated option libvirt.remove_unused_kernels https://review.openstack.org/265886 | 11:04 |
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openstackgerrit | Moshe Levi proposed openstack/nova: pci: Move PCI devices and PCI requests into migration context https://review.openstack.org/307124 | 11:13 |
openstackgerrit | Yatin Kumbhare proposed openstack/nova: Fixes invalid uuid usages in functional tests https://review.openstack.org/317400 | 11:13 |
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openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/nova: [WIP] Testing latest u-c https://review.openstack.org/303345 | 11:26 |
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openstackgerrit | jichenjc proposed openstack/nova: api-ref verify of servers-admin-action.inc https://review.openstack.org/311727 | 11:35 |
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openstackgerrit | Jens Rosenboom proposed openstack/nova: Warn about unset cache backend https://review.openstack.org/307718 | 11:39 |
openstackgerrit | jichenjc proposed openstack/nova: not use mox for conductor/test_conductor.py https://review.openstack.org/306385 | 11:39 |
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openstackgerrit | Markus Zoeller (markus_z) proposed openstack/nova: config options: centralize exception options https://review.openstack.org/314091 | 11:44 |
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openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Name and AZ should as be optional param on aggregate-update https://review.openstack.org/315849 | 11:50 |
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openstackgerrit | jichenjc proposed openstack/nova: api-ref keypair update (os-keypairs.inc) https://review.openstack.org/314502 | 11:56 |
moshele | yonglihe: hi | 11:57 |
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moshele | yonglihe: can you fix the Intel pci? it is failing on cherry pick CI http://52.27.155.124/pci/307124/13/console_status.log.gz | 11:58 |
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openstackgerrit | Karen Bradshaw proposed openstack/nova: api-ref: servers-action-evacuate.inc https://review.openstack.org/314776 | 12:01 |
gibi | johnthetubaguy: thanks for the pointer. I left a comment in the review | 12:02 |
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gibi | johnthetubaguy: I think your suggestion is valid quite a bit of additional work for the notification transformation | 12:03 |
gibi | johnthetubaguy: s/valid quite/valid but quite/ | 12:03 |
openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: enhance method to return pointer_model from image prop https://review.openstack.org/174854 | 12:06 |
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openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: add "get_job_info" to Guest's object https://review.openstack.org/250740 | 12:10 |
openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: add method to configure max downtime when migrating https://review.openstack.org/250739 | 12:10 |
openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: add "abort_job" to Guest's object https://review.openstack.org/250738 | 12:10 |
openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: add method "migrate" to Guest's object https://review.openstack.org/250365 | 12:10 |
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gibi | johnthetubaguy: we might be able to phase it. Like first do some notification transformation and add the status field to the instance action in parallel, then as a next step use a single source of information for both filling the instanceAction event list and emitting the instance.<action> notification | 12:13 |
openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: network: handle unauthorized exception from neutron https://review.openstack.org/312014 | 12:13 |
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ygl | Hi all | 12:13 |
ygl | i need a way to check before an instance launch that sufficient resources are available on a compute for my flavor | 12:14 |
ygl | hoe can I do this ? | 12:14 |
alaski | sorrison: for your policy question, they are duplicates but each one applies to a different api version. v2.1 uses the os_compute_api:* policies and v2 uses the compute:* policies. with the removal of v2 code the compute:* policies will go away | 12:14 |
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ygl | can anyone helpl me with my question please | 12:18 |
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alaski | ygl: the scheduler in Nova and the resource tracker on a compute both check that before building an instance | 12:21 |
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bauzas | jaypipes: you told me that you splitted the (host, node) tuple, right? if so, did you upload that change ? | 12:22 |
ygl | alaski: i want it to use it in my script to evaluate whether i can luanch a vm with a given flavor. how can I use it ? | 12:22 |
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alaski | ygl: that information is not exposed to users of nova. you need to attempt to create the instance and let nova tell you if it can't succeed | 12:23 |
ygl | alaski: so is there no way we can use that | 12:24 |
alaski | ygl: there is not. if there are flavors defined that there is no room for that seems like an operational concern and capacity should be added | 12:25 |
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johnthetubaguy | gibi: I think phasing that is totally the right way, I think its more about how that spec should see if it can re-use the good work the versioned notifications stuff has done | 12:27 |
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sdague | the things you find when you try to document the api .... | 12:35 |
openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack/nova: remove FlavorCreateFailed exception https://review.openstack.org/317438 | 12:35 |
sdague | turns out we removed the ability to generate an exception 2 years ago, but there is still handing code for it | 12:36 |
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bauzas | alaski: just a quick q, I was writing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315572/6/nova/compute/api.py | 12:36 |
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bauzas | alaski: given cells v2, it means it's up to bottom call | 12:37 |
bauzas | updown rather | 12:37 |
andrearosa | sdague: it is only extreme prudence | 12:37 |
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bauzas | alaski: I mean, the ComputeNode.get_all() | 12:37 |
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bauzas | alaski: do you think it's still okay, or do you prefer to rather provide another way? | 12:38 |
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bauzas | alaski: like just passing a string down to the scheduler, and the scheduler finds the related node ? | 12:38 |
alaski | bauzas: this does seem like a scheduling concern to me | 12:39 |
bauzas | alaski: the related change for the scheduler is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314509/7/nova/scheduler/host_manager.py | 12:40 |
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bauzas | alaski: given requested_destination is a ComputeNode nested object | 12:40 |
bauzas | alaski: but I actually wonder if that's a good one | 12:41 |
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alaski | bauzas: so this is doing some preliminary checking before calling the scheduler? | 12:41 |
bauzas | alaski: it's for providing the user destination | 12:42 |
alaski | oh, it's setting requested_destination | 12:42 |
bauzas | alaski: like "as an admin, I want to migrate to this destination" | 12:42 |
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bauzas | alaski: but given the host field in the API is a string, I want to make it clear it's a destination | 12:42 |
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bauzas | alaski: so, I'm getting the host value, and finding the related ComputeNode destination, so I can pass it down to the scheduler | 12:43 |
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gibi | johnthetubaguy: OK. I agree. I hope my comments in the review made the possible direction clear | 12:43 |
jaypipes | bauzas: :( still in unit test changes hell... | 12:43 |
bauzas | jaypipes: a-ha | 12:43 |
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bauzas | jaypipes: good luck with test_resource_tracker :) | 12:43 |
alaski | bauzas: so I actually think a string is fine here, it's user input into the scheduler and if it's wrong the scheduler will fail. but I also think that querying a cell for compute node info is also okay at this point | 12:44 |
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bauzas | alaski: I'm not really opiniated, hence me pinging you | 12:45 |
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markus_z | tjones: FYI, I closed an old vmware related wishlist item: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1171921 | 12:45 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1171921 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "vsphere + vlanmanager still creates per-host port groups, not distributed port groups" [Wishlist,Opinion] | 12:45 |
bauzas | alaski: what I prefer in finding the related compute node is that if the user makes a mistake, it's a synchronous 404 | 12:45 |
markus_z | tjones: feel free to reopen if you disagree | 12:45 |
alaski | bauzas: more and more I've started thinking of the scheduler as a separate entity and Nova as just a proxy to it. So I like the idea of cutting down on shared datastructures between nova and the scheduler | 12:46 |
alaski | yeah, I definitely see the benefit for the synchronous error | 12:46 |
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bauzas | alaski: k, so in that case, providing a string to the scheduler as a separate entity is a terrible payload | 12:47 |
bauzas | alaski: rather, we should use the interface to pass the right value | 12:47 |
gibi | johnthetubaguy, jaypipes: Can we settle the Server vs Instance naming question in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286675/ somehow? | 12:47 |
bauzas | but | 12:47 |
bauzas | that said | 12:47 |
bauzas | Nova doesn't really know that the scheduler is using Computenodes | 12:48 |
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alaski | exactly | 12:48 |
bauzas | what we return from the scheduler is a tuple (host, node, limits) | 12:48 |
bauzas | grah | 12:48 |
jaypipes | gibi: Instance. :P | 12:48 |
bauzas | gmrmrlblbll | 12:49 |
alaski | bauzas: something that encapsulates a user request would be nice, but computenode isn't the right abstraction I think | 12:49 |
bauzas | alaski: so the right abstraction is that silly tuple (host, node) then | 12:49 |
bauzas | because that's what we get | 12:49 |
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bauzas | so a trade-off could be to figure out synchronously that we have a destination, but only passing down (host, node) | 12:50 |
bauzas | in that case, we would 404 if the proposed destination is incorrect | 12:50 |
gibi | jaypipes: it means that there will be Instance in the wire format of a API of nova. Isn't it a naming issue with that as REST API is using Server? | 12:50 |
alaski | gibi: my understanding has always been that we use instance everywhere, except for in the API because it's not worth changing that on usres | 12:51 |
alaski | *users | 12:51 |
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gibi | alaski: notifications is an API (or want's to be) | 12:51 |
gibi | alaski: so it might need to adapt to the Server concept | 12:51 |
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gibi | alaski: if the majority of the cores are for Instance then I'm fine with it, but it seems johnthetubaguy has problems with that | 12:52 |
alaski | instance is already used throughout notifications though. adding something with "server" would be inconsistent there | 12:52 |
johnthetubaguy | gibi: I could live with either | 12:52 |
johnthetubaguy | its just we are re-doing all the notifications and versioning them | 12:53 |
johnthetubaguy | so its our one chance to "fix" it | 12:53 |
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gibi | johnthetubaguy: if we want to change instance to server then yes this is our chance. the question is do we want to fix it? | 12:53 |
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johnthetubaguy | well, I have a slight preference for yes, given we are going to start documenting this etc, but if everyone else thinks thats crazy, then I am OK | 12:54 |
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openstackgerrit | Andrea Rosa proposed openstack/nova: Adding device_present field to bdm table https://review.openstack.org/268053 | 12:55 |
openstackgerrit | Andrea Rosa proposed openstack/nova: WIP: Attach/detach root volume for shelved_offloaded https://review.openstack.org/317446 | 12:55 |
alaski | bauzas: that makes sense to me, figure out if destination exists then pass (host, node). except rather than a tuple could we have a lightweight object there? | 12:56 |
alaski | gibi: johnthetubaguy I personally like instance there, but not strongly enough to care if we go the other way | 12:56 |
bauzas | alaski: well, I'm figuring out if we could just have some o.vo field type doing that without really needing to create yet another nested object for that purpose | 12:57 |
gibi | it seems only jaypipes has a firm opinion and he wants Intance. Can we then go with that? | 12:57 |
gibi | s/Intance/Instance/ | 12:57 |
alaski | bauzas: my main concern is that we would like to get rid of 'node' so I would like to not need to pass it explicitly | 12:57 |
bauzas | alaski: right, in that case, a nested object is better | 12:57 |
bauzas | alaski: but in that case, that would mean a major non-backwards compatible change anyway | 12:58 |
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bauzas | alaski: because we can't just remove that node field | 12:58 |
bauzas | but agreed, having a nested object is more flexible, because we can change the structure without really influencing more than the nested object | 12:59 |
bauzas | which is better | 12:59 |
bauzas | alaski: okay, you convinced me | 12:59 |
bauzas | removing the node field would still be hard work, but that's still the case whatever the object is :) | 13:00 |
alaski | yeah | 13:00 |
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gibi | silence means agreement for me :) so I will change back the names in the spec from Server to Instance | 13:02 |
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markus_z | tjones: FYI: I closed https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1185083 too | 13:07 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1185083 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "VMware: Simplify logic get_network_with_the_name" [Wishlist,Opinion] | 13:07 |
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openstackgerrit | jichenjc proposed openstack/nova: api-ref verify of servers-admin-action.inc https://review.openstack.org/311727 | 13:09 |
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openstackgerrit | Ed Leafe proposed openstack/nova: Move config options from nova/api directory (5) https://review.openstack.org/314290 | 13:11 |
openstackgerrit | Ed Leafe proposed openstack/nova: Improve the help text for the API options (5) https://review.openstack.org/314291 | 13:11 |
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markus_z | tjones: FYI: Another one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1192192 | 13:14 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1192192 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Nova initiated Live Migration regression for vmware VCDriver" [Wishlist,Opinion] | 13:14 |
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openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova-specs: Versioned notification transformation https://review.openstack.org/286675 | 13:20 |
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markus_z | BobBall: Is this really a "wishlist" item: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1201863 ? | 13:20 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1201863 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "XenAPI Resize Fails with Migration Error: Failed to transfer vhd to new host" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 13:20 |
markus_z | BobBall: Looks more like a real bug (with a low importance) to me | 13:20 |
markus_z | (it's pretty old too) | 13:21 |
gibi | johnthetubaguy, jaypipes: I fixed the naming in the spec https://review.openstack.org/286675 | 13:21 |
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johnthetubaguy | alaski: just checking, why is your preference for instance in the notifications? | 13:28 |
johnthetubaguy | alaski: because thats how they have always been in notifications? | 13:29 |
openstackgerrit | Zhenguo Niu proposed openstack/nova: [Ironic] Correct check for ready to deploy https://review.openstack.org/317462 | 13:30 |
alaski | johnthetubaguy: partially, and because internally that what we use. ServerPayload wrapping an Instance object is a bit odd. I'd rather be internally consistent. And notifications are intended for an audience that should understand what an instance is | 13:30 |
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johnthetubaguy | alaski: yeah, I was just thinking about folks like searchlight being consumers of notifications, and having to map that to the server concepts they are working with externally, but the argument sure works both ways, I was just curious really | 13:32 |
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alaski | johnthetubaguy: yeah. Also I'm just grumpy and resistant to change at times :) | 13:33 |
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openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: Acquire TCP ports for console during live migration https://review.openstack.org/275801 | 13:34 |
openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: Add serial ports to the migration data object https://review.openstack.org/215102 | 13:34 |
johnthetubaguy | alaski: heh | 13:35 |
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johnthetubaguy | sdague: mriedem: has worries about the glance v2 spec based on my memory of what we agreed at the summit: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301741 not sure if I am totally off the mark or not, just thinking about getting that spec merged ASAP | 13:36 |
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markus_z | BobBall: FYI: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1218528 | 13:37 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1218528 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "openvswitch-nova in XenServer doesn't work with bonding" [Wishlist,Opinion] | 13:37 |
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mriedem | johnthetubaguy: who has worries? you, me or sdague? | 13:39 |
mriedem | oh i see it's you | 13:40 |
johnthetubaguy | mriedem: its worries from me about the current state of the spec | 13:40 |
mriedem | i was going to review it today, didn't get a chance yesterday | 13:40 |
mriedem | wrapping up the sriov meeting | 13:40 |
johnthetubaguy | mriedem: honestly, sounds like the implementation is doing it the way we want anyways | 13:40 |
johnthetubaguy | mriedem: cools | 13:40 |
mriedem | next up, live migration meeting in 20 minutes | 13:40 |
mriedem | and then my 9:30 scrum, and then my 10am weekly status call, and then cinder/nova meeting at noon | 13:41 |
mriedem | and then only 2 short hours of meetings this afternoon | 13:41 |
mriedem | so i'll review that glance spec around 8:30pm tonight :) | 13:41 |
markus_z | more meetings for everyone! ;) | 13:42 |
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openstackgerrit | Ryan Rossiter proposed openstack/nova: Update os-server-tags in default policy https://review.openstack.org/315757 | 13:43 |
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sdague | johnthetubaguy: it looks like the spec got updated up until work items, which didn't get updated. | 13:44 |
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notartom | dansmith, awake yet? Question for you in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310617/5 | 13:47 |
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dansmith | nortman: dude, it's 06:48... it's mid morning | 13:48 |
artom | dansmith, and yet you're here ;) | 13:48 |
johnthetubaguy | sdague: ah, that would do it | 13:48 |
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mriedem | i'm checking the diff | 13:49 |
mriedem | overall it looks simplified | 13:49 |
mriedem | 4..6 | 13:49 |
BobBall | Agree with your change markus_z - thanks. | 13:50 |
mriedem | sdague: are you planning on rev'ing this today? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312209/ | 13:50 |
mriedem | sdague: it'd be good to get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312209/ approved so we can document the nova images api is deprecated before we break it with the v2 support | 13:50 |
mriedem | since the end api user isn't going to know how nova is configured (for CONF.glance.use_v1) | 13:50 |
mriedem | or use_v2, whatever we call it | 13:51 |
BobBall | markus_z: Regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1201863, it's a specific use case (shared storage) which wasn't designed to work with offline migrate. As the behaviour wasn't originally designed to work, we put it as wishlist | 13:52 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1201863 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "XenAPI Resize Fails with Migration Error: Failed to transfer vhd to new host" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 13:52 |
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johnthetubaguy | mriedem: with those nova-net APIs, we are not breaking there existing scripts by dropping it in a microversion | 13:52 |
markus_z | BobBall: Wanna keep that open as a reminder? Or close it as it is a known limitation? | 13:52 |
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BobBall | markus_z: Known limitation; is that just wont fix? | 13:53 |
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mriedem | johnthetubaguy: ? | 13:53 |
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markus_z | BobBall: Yeah, "won't fix" is good IMO | 13:54 |
johnthetubaguy | mriedem: I am talking about that deprecate api proxy stuff | 13:54 |
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openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack/nova: api-ref: verify flavors.inc https://review.openstack.org/314133 | 13:54 |
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mriedem | johnthetubaguy: i think the api deprecation plan was after a given microversion you get a 404 or something | 13:55 |
mriedem | so if you want to use a proxy API, you do it on a microversion before that | 13:55 |
mriedem | and we can't delete the code until the minimum required microversion is >= the deprecation one | 13:55 |
sdague | mriedem: I will put that near the top of my stack, but I turn out to have a house full of sick people today, so what I can get done today is unknown. | 13:55 |
mriedem | sdague: ha, ok | 13:56 |
mriedem | i thought they were all sick while you were in austin? | 13:56 |
mriedem | just quarantine them to the basement | 13:56 |
sdague | yeh, they were, and they came down with things again this weekend | 13:56 |
mriedem | oh boy | 13:56 |
mriedem | i blame that hairy pig puppet thing | 13:56 |
dansmith | artom: words written. I think you should try to get danpb to ack it though | 13:56 |
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artom | dansmith, much thanks :) | 13:57 |
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dansmith | artom: does that make sense? | 13:58 |
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johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, thats the plan I was remembering, I was thinking of applying that to the nova-net things as well though, I think thats the bit you didn't like | 14:00 |
artom | dansmith, yeah. I'm not sure about the performance bit. Regardless of whether it's a blob or fields in vifs and bdms, the metadata API still need to go to the DB, but other than that it makes sense. | 14:00 |
dansmith | artom: the metadata server has to query instance at least. it can query one field of instance extra with that instance in the same query | 14:00 |
dansmith | artom: for bdms, it has to make another query after instance | 14:01 |
dansmith | artom: and if we have to get the network stuff, that's another query | 14:01 |
dansmith | artom: etc, etc | 14:01 |
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artom | dansmith, an, I see what you mean. Less overhead. | 14:01 |
dansmith | each one of those is an RPC call to a DB query | 14:01 |
mriedem | johnthetubaguy: well, i'd have to see what i said before. nova-net isn't a proxy, which is the difference. | 14:01 |
mriedem | it is deprecated though | 14:01 |
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PaulMurray | live migration meeting now on #openstack-meeting-3 PaulMurray paul-carlton2 eliqiao shaohe_feng pkoniszewski jlanoux yuntongjin mdbooth kashyap kmartin claudiub tobasco tdurakov andreas_s abhishekk diana_clarke | 14:01 |
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mriedem | johnthetubaguy: but as an end user, you're just hitting the nova api for network resources, and if the deployment is using nova-net, that's not your fault | 14:02 |
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mriedem | switching to neutron APIs in that case won't work | 14:02 |
artom | As for danpb's objections, I don't want to put words in his mouth, but he was pretty adamant about the schema being represented through objects. Which is why he doesn't like this new scattering of fields all over. | 14:02 |
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johnthetubaguy | mriedem: but all their scripts will still be working, as they have to explicitly increase the microversion number to notice the API has gone | 14:05 |
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johnthetubaguy | mriedem: anyways, I am OK waiting till we drop nova-net, its just that feels a bit too late | 14:06 |
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mriedem | jbernard: melwitt: fyi, we know why the live migration job won't pass on that ceph change, | 14:13 |
mriedem | the job is running on xenial nodes now and the cpu model isn't working in the job | 14:13 |
mriedem | talking about it in #openstack-meeting-3 | 14:13 |
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mriedem | johnthetubaguy: waiting to deprecate the network apis until we drop nova-net, or...other? let's talk after the live migration meeting. | 14:18 |
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mlavalle | mriedem: now that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300176/ is merged, the routed networks spec is next, right? | 14:20 |
mriedem | mlavalle: ooo my friend, ooo | 14:20 |
mriedem | mlavalle: you didn't think it was that easy did you? | 14:21 |
mlavalle | mriedem: I did :-) | 14:21 |
mlavalle | mriedem: so, what is the next step? | 14:21 |
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mriedem | mlavalle: in a meeting atm, i'll get back to you | 14:22 |
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mlavalle | mriedem: cool :-) | 14:23 |
edleafe | gibi: johnthetubaguy: jaypipes: besides RAX, does anyone else refer to instances as "servers"? | 14:23 |
* edleafe is catching up on scrollback | 14:23 | |
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johnthetubaguy | edleafe: its the API docs, and all SDKs | 14:23 |
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johnthetubaguy | edleafe: well, and the API | 14:24 |
edleafe | johnthetubaguy: understood, but my impression was because of the RAX influence in creating a lot fo that | 14:24 |
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edleafe | "Cloud Servers" | 14:24 |
edleafe | I was just wondering if any other OpenStack business calls them 'servers' | 14:25 |
johnthetubaguy | edleafe: thats not really the point though, we have to have all our API facing docs talk about "servers" to be consistent with the API | 14:25 |
moshele | mriedem: I am not sure I have the answer for the background of the is_new the pci_requests maybe dansmith know. I don't understand what was the intention of if. The problem with the pci code is that some of it doesn't make sense anymore due to some refactoring | 14:25 |
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dansmith | moshele: yeah, I don't really know either.. I mostly picked that up and helped get it working (at all) just before a release because it was decided we needed it | 14:26 |
openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova: Add RC file for excluding tempest tests for LVM job https://review.openstack.org/316295 | 14:26 |
mriedem | dansmith: oomichi: ^ fixed that filename | 14:26 |
dansmith | so my name is all over it, but only for that reason | 14:26 |
mriedem | it was russellb's commit, maybe he remembers | 14:26 |
mriedem | although it was from juno | 14:26 |
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edleafe | johnthetubaguy: well, I was thinking about your point that moving to versioned notifications would be the chance to "fix it" | 14:27 |
johnthetubaguy | edleafe: yes, make our notifications API consistent with our REST API was what I was thinking | 14:27 |
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openstackgerrit | Karen Bradshaw proposed openstack/nova: [WIP] api-ref: os-consoles.inc https://review.openstack.org/317536 | 14:29 |
edleafe | johnthetubaguy: ok, got it | 14:30 |
johnthetubaguy | really its in reference to how searchlight our using it | 14:30 |
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mriedem | mdbooth: nova.virt.block_device is a dict that wraps the nova.objects.BlockDeviceMapping object and is used for attaching volumes | 14:34 |
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mriedem | nova.virt.block_device could just as easily live in nova.compute | 14:34 |
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mriedem | nova.block_device is a dict also, but is less clear to me where / how it's used | 14:34 |
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mdbooth | mriedem: I'm going to try to avoid refactoring everything :) | 14:35 |
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mriedem | probably a good idea | 14:35 |
mdbooth | Preferrably just like to draw a line describing where the data goes and poke mine in at the top. | 14:36 |
mriedem | as mentioned in the live migration meeting, if we could deprecate bdm v1 that would be sweet | 14:36 |
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mriedem | mdbooth: i think we are converting them at the api layer | 14:37 |
mriedem | well, at least the request | 14:37 |
mdbooth | IIRC it happens at one point in build_and_run | 14:37 |
mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/block_device_mapping_v1.py | 14:38 |
mriedem | ^ converts a legacy bdm request to the v2 format | 14:38 |
mriedem | before it gets to server create | 14:38 |
mriedem | so the nova.compute.api only gets the v2 representation of the bdm request | 14:39 |
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markus_z | BobBall: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1245560 looks a little odd. | 14:39 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1245560 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "vcpu_weight in flavor-create API is not validated" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 14:39 |
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mdbooth | mriedem: Oh, interesting. I'm sure there's legacy conversion code elsewhere, too. | 14:40 |
markus_z | BobBall: Looks like a flavor attribute which is only used by xenapi and I don't understand why this got introduced. | 14:40 |
mdbooth | If I can throw away some dead code, that's about the level of refactor I'm prepared to do on this. | 14:40 |
mriedem | mdbooth: there is a bunch of translation code in nova.block_device and nova.virt.block_device | 14:41 |
mriedem | i don't know if there is any dead code, but yeah, i agree with not wanting to really touch any of it | 14:41 |
mriedem | which is why i was saying it'd be nice if we could deprecate the bdm v1 api | 14:41 |
mriedem | so eventually if the min microversion is higher than that we could drop all of that conversion code | 14:42 |
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openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: pci: make sure device relationships are kept in memory https://review.openstack.org/301859 | 14:48 |
openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: pci: Make sure PF is 'available' when last VF is freed https://review.openstack.org/303012 | 14:48 |
openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: pci: related updates are done without DB lookups https://review.openstack.org/301860 | 14:48 |
mriedem | mdbooth: i sent something to the dev list on bdm v1 deprecation | 14:48 |
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dansmith | jaypipes: not sure if you remember or even grokked the detail of what I said, | 14:49 |
dansmith | jaypipes: but I had previously thought we would have the computes send zeroes in their compute node record to indicate that they are updating their inventories, per: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317049/ | 14:49 |
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dansmith | jaypipes: but I don't think that's going to work, because the scheduler would have to query all the compute nodes, and then for any of them that have zero, go on to query an inventory for those in order to do its normal work, which seems like a non-starter | 14:50 |
mriedem | mikal: alaski: btw, i'll have you know i woke up at 2am last night thinking about pulling all aggregates from the DB in the scheduler in the API node last night :( | 14:50 |
dansmith | jaypipes: so I think I'm going to need to send a flag or something to say "I did the inventory stuff already" and let the resource fields stay the same, so the scheduler continues to work as it does today, scheduling based on compute nodes | 14:50 |
dansmith | jaypipes: but we'll have the stage set for compute nodes doing their own inventory management | 14:50 |
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openstackgerrit | Jay Pipes proposed openstack/nova-specs: WIP Resource providers: dynamic resource classes https://review.openstack.org/312696 | 14:54 |
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jaypipes | dansmith: sorry, was doing a review and now heading to a meeting :( can we chat in about an hour about the "where to do the allocations migration?" question? | 15:00 |
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dansmith | this is not that question | 15:00 |
dansmith | but yes | 15:00 |
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jaypipes | BTW, is it just me or does anybody else think "BDSM" every time mriedem mentions "bdm v1 support"? | 15:00 |
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alaski | mriedem: that's no fun | 15:01 |
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BobBall | markus_z: johnthetubaguy can comment on that too; The user can't set the value, but it is set by default on some flavors by RAX. Not sure how they set this. | 15:05 |
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johnthetubaguy | BobBall: which value? | 15:05 |
BobBall | vcpu_weight | 15:05 |
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BobBall | See https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1245560 | 15:06 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1245560 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "vcpu_weight in flavor-create API is not validated" [Low,Confirmed] | 15:06 |
johnthetubaguy | BobBall: we setup the flavors via the DB | 15:06 |
markus_z | mriedem found that ages ago ^ | 15:06 |
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markus_z | That's a configuration via the backdoor, isn't it? | 15:07 |
mriedem | \o/ | 15:07 |
BobBall | Do you set to diff values? In which case, surely we need to expose through the API? | 15:07 |
BobBall | If not diff values, we could hardcode without it being in the DB | 15:07 |
mriedem | "The only code using it is in the xenapi virt driver, so I'm wondering if they have something working out of tree at Rackspace that uses it?" | 15:07 |
mriedem | ha | 15:07 |
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mriedem | so drop it for flavor extra specs? | 15:08 |
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jroll | lol | 15:09 |
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mriedem | mfedosin: nikhil: johnthetubaguy: comments in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301741/ | 15:17 |
nikhil | mriedem: you are the best! | 15:19 |
nikhil | so is johnthetubaguy | 15:19 |
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mriedem | mlavalle: back to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263898/ i'd like to see that jaypipes is still on board with that given any recent changes in the generic-resource-pools spec | 15:24 |
mriedem | mlavalle: and johnthetubaguy also has a spec about moving some neutron api stuff in nova to conductor, i'm not sure how much that impacts the routed networks work, or if it becomes a dependency | 15:25 |
openstackgerrit | Pawel Koniszewski proposed openstack/nova: Change exception raised in graphics and serial check https://review.openstack.org/317573 | 15:25 |
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mriedem | mlavalle: which is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313001/ | 15:25 |
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mlavalle | mriedem: yes, johnthetubaguy attended our meeting this morning and he is going to review the routed networks spec. He added it to the top of his list | 15:26 |
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mriedem | dansmith: thoughts on making the neutron routed networks spec dependent on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313001/ ? | 15:27 |
mlavalle | mriedem: and we also discussed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313001/. Both carl_baldwin and I are going to review it | 15:27 |
dansmith | mriedem: on a call atm | 15:28 |
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raj_sing- | johnthetubaguy: Do we need to move "https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/opts.py#L23" to nova/conf? | 15:30 |
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johnthetubaguy | raj_sing- : I think there is a patch up for that | 15:31 |
johnthetubaguy | raj_sing-: from edleafe, if my memory is correct | 15:31 |
johnthetubaguy | raj_sing-: basically it just gets deleted, eventually | 15:31 |
raj_sing- | then I think we are done with moving options to centralize location. I will focus on adding help text while you get feature classification ready for me to jump in. | 15:32 |
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mlavalle | mriedem: and I reviewed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300176/ yesterday, right before it ws merged. It mentions routed networks as an example of genreic resource pools. Of course we ant jaypipes to review routed networks, but I don't think there is an incompatibilioty | 15:35 |
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mriedem | mlavalle: yeah i don't expect there to be an issue there | 15:35 |
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mriedem | i'm more concerned with a push to refactor a bunch of the neutron port allocation code to move it from the computes to the conductor | 15:35 |
mriedem | before supporting routed networks | 15:36 |
mriedem | but i need to review john's spec | 15:36 |
mlavalle | mriedem: johnthetubaguy is attending our routed networks meeting and as of this morning expresed the desire to get the routed networks spec moving | 15:37 |
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sfinucan | raj_sing-: Tip for you: you can check for files that are modified in Gerrit using the 'file:' query | 15:42 |
sfinucan | Querying for 'file:nova/api/opts.py status:open' found the patch that johnthetubaguy linked to | 15:43 |
raj_sing- | sfinucan: thx! | 15:43 |
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openstackgerrit | Andrew Laski proposed openstack/nova: Create Instance from BuildRequest if not in a cell https://review.openstack.org/263927 | 15:44 |
openstackgerrit | Andrew Laski proposed openstack/nova: Keep BuildRequest db entry around longer https://review.openstack.org/302425 | 15:44 |
openstackgerrit | Andrew Laski proposed openstack/nova: Drop fields from BuildRequest object and model https://review.openstack.org/305953 | 15:44 |
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raj_sing- | sfinucan: If there a way to sort all open patches against any bp according to status? | 15:44 |
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sfinucan | raj_sing-: If the topics are set correctly, then yes: use the 'topic: ' query | 15:45 |
sfinucan | e.g. status:open topic:bp/centralize-config-options-newton' | 15:46 |
sfinucan | You can combine multiple topic, iirc | 15:46 |
raj_sing- | sfinucan: great! thx | 15:46 |
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mriedem | mlavalle: sure, but there are dependencies | 15:48 |
mriedem | mlavalle: at least on generic-resource-pools, which is dependent on some data migration work that dan is doing | 15:48 |
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dansmith | mriedem: yep, makes sense (in that it definitely is required for routed networks) | 15:49 |
mriedem | ok, reading john's spec now. not sure i can handle a spec < 200 lines | 15:50 |
dansmith | heh | 15:50 |
dansmith | it should just include a picture of the whiteboard from austin and say "this ^" | 15:50 |
mriedem | i doubt anyone took a picture of that | 15:50 |
dansmith | mriedem: carl_baldwin did :) | 15:51 |
* carl_baldwin did | 15:51 | |
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openstackgerrit | Andrea Rosa proposed openstack/nova: WIP: Attach/detach root volume for shelved_offloaded https://review.openstack.org/317446 | 15:52 |
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carl_baldwin | dansmith: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4AotMGstEW6cTNGVDlHZEF6bUU/view?usp=sharing | 15:53 |
dansmith | so beautiful | 15:53 |
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jaypipes | dansmith: k, I am ready sir. | 15:54 |
mriedem | ha | 15:54 |
dansmith | jaypipes: I'm on a meeting for at least six more minutes | 15:54 |
mriedem | it's a good gd thing there are labels on those boxes | 15:54 |
dansmith | meh | 15:55 |
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openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: Introduce VNC Security Proxy Framework https://review.openstack.org/115483 | 16:04 |
openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: Add VeNCrypt (TLS/x509) Security Proxy Driver https://review.openstack.org/115484 | 16:04 |
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dansmith | jaypipes: so I'm talking about the inventory stuff, not allocations.. moving those to the api db, we lose the ability to query compute nodes and have the inventories joined with the compute_node records | 16:06 |
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dansmith | jaypipes: so presumably we'll want to just start updating both until the point at which we know they're both valid, and then switch over to looking at inventories instead of compute nodes | 16:07 |
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sahid | jaypipes: i rebased this serie https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250365/ - i do not why but it was stuck, when you have a moment if you can re +W them, thanks | 16:07 |
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melwitt | alaski: the transport_url spec discussion has gone in a direction I didn't expect -- proposal to deprecate the various rabbit impl config options https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313178/ | 16:13 |
edleafe | raj_sing-: (catching up on scrollback) Yes, the opts.py is removed here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314290/ | 16:14 |
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jaypipes | dansmith: yeah, I guess the ComputeNode.get_all() method will need to query both local and api DB for the interim time period. :( | 16:17 |
jaypipes | dansmith: I don't see a way around that unfortunately. | 16:17 |
dansmith | jaypipes: no, I don't think we can tolerate that | 16:17 |
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cfriesen | I'm running devstack with stable/mitaka and I don't see a "rejoin stack" script. is there an equivalent way to get back into the screen session for a running devstack? | 16:18 |
dansmith | jaypipes: I'm saying we need to just update both places (inventories and compute nodes), and then schedule either from one or the other | 16:18 |
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dansmith | jaypipes: after we know all compute nodes are doing the inventory thing, we can start looking at inventories instead, but until then, we have to keep looking at compute nodes | 16:18 |
dansmith | jaypipes: right? | 16:18 |
jaypipes | dansmith: yes, that seems correct now that I think further about it. ++ | 16:18 |
dansmith | jaypipes: what's the point in looking at both? it's much easier to just update both, since both records need only be updated by one thing | 16:19 |
dansmith | okay | 16:19 |
mriedem | johnthetubaguy: already, comments inline https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313001/ | 16:19 |
jaypipes | dansmith: and the way we will know a compute_node has been migrated? | 16:19 |
melwitt | cfriesen: I think now stack.sh is the only way, to my disappointment. someone asked about it on the ML recently | 16:19 |
mriedem | s/already/alright/ | 16:19 |
jaypipes | dansmith: since we no longer will be zeroing the fields in compute_nodes? | 16:19 |
dansmith | jaypipes: we have two options | 16:20 |
melwitt | cfriesen: assuming by "get back in" you mean respawn all the screen sessions | 16:20 |
dansmith | jaypipes: one is to use the presence of the inventory as the signal, and just never have the compute node do it for them, or two include a flag in the compute node object only | 16:20 |
cfriesen | melwitt: it looks like "screen -x stack" works (in my case at least) | 16:20 |
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dansmith | jaypipes: I'm not talking about automating the switchover anyway, so it doesn't really matter.. "time" will be the signal for it.. if we include the scheduler filter in newton, we'll just say "you can't enable this unless all your computes are upgraded" | 16:21 |
jaypipes | dansmith: ok, that works for me. | 16:21 |
melwitt | cfriesen: oh, just to reattach? I was using 'screen -r' for that. I meant if I change some code, I kill the sessions, and want to respawn them again | 16:22 |
jaypipes | dansmith: on the question of where to do the allocations migrations, did you see my response to your question about why it is proposed to do the allocations migrations on the ComputeNode instead of the Instance object? | 16:22 |
melwitt | cfriesen: I used to use rejoin_stack.sh to do that | 16:22 |
dansmith | jaypipes: no, I'll go back and look... just haven't had time to breathe | 16:23 |
jaypipes | dansmith: no worries. | 16:23 |
jaypipes | dansmith: I recognize you are a bfd. | 16:23 |
dansmith | jaypipes: if b == busy | 16:23 |
* jaypipes scurries away... | 16:23 | |
jaypipes | hehe | 16:23 |
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mriedem | we have a problem with get me a network....dagnabbit | 16:34 |
johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, MAC area PITA for this stuff, added some replies | 16:34 |
mriedem | lunch and then more meetings | 16:34 |
johnthetubaguy | mriedem: is this the upgrade issue you mentioned? | 16:35 |
mriedem | yes | 16:35 |
mriedem | mitaka computes won't have the auto-allocate network api changes | 16:35 |
johnthetubaguy | can't you just stop any API calls doing the new thing until the min_service version is reached? | 16:35 |
mriedem | see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283206/14/specs/newton/approved/get-me-a-network.rst@125 | 16:35 |
mriedem | johnthetubaguy: that's one of the options in ^ | 16:35 |
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mriedem | in my comment i mean | 16:35 |
mriedem | damn you rolling upgrades | 16:36 |
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johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, I think its fine for a new feature to not work until the upgrade is complete, I think thats what we "agreed" for cinder multi-attach | 16:38 |
markus_z | claudiub: FYI: I closed an old hyper-v wishlist bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1346857 | 16:39 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1346857 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "HyperV driver does not implement Image cache ageing" [Wishlist,Opinion] | 16:39 |
johnthetubaguy | mriedem: its messy, as we can't do it atomically across all APIs... my longer term fix idea is to just look at always rolling the APIs last, after all the compute nodes are upgraded, possibly... | 16:40 |
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claudiub | markus_z: cool, we actually have an approved blueprint / implementation for that: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-imagecache-cleanup and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192618/ | 16:42 |
claudiub | markus_z: although, the patch doesn't target the bug, which is why it remained without activity. :) | 16:42 |
markus_z | claudiub: It doesn't? The description of the bp sounds like it does. | 16:43 |
claudiub | markus_z: yeah, the blueprint does, I meant that the patch doesn't: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192618/3 | 16:43 |
openstackgerrit | Augustina Ragwitz proposed openstack/nova: Trivial: remove os-security-groups needs:method_verification line https://review.openstack.org/317622 | 16:45 |
markus_z | claudiub: Ah, well, I think the bug report did its job by notifying you that folks like to have that feature. It's up to you to provide the code :) | 16:45 |
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alaski | melwitt: interesting. I'll check that out | 16:49 |
markus_z | rfolco: FYI: I closed the (old) ppc64 wishlist bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1355921 Not sure if anyone from power had the chance to notice that one. | 16:49 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1355921 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "[libvirt] When guest configured for threads, poor VCPU accounting" [Wishlist,Opinion] | 16:49 |
claudiub | markus_z: true. :) | 16:49 |
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mriedem | claudiub: would also be helpful to mark the bp as needing code review | 16:50 |
mriedem | it was marked as not started | 16:50 |
mriedem | i just changed it | 16:50 |
mriedem | claudiub: and the hyper-v subteam needs to review it | 16:50 |
markus_z | kylek3h: FYI too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1355921 | 16:51 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1355921 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "[libvirt] When guest configured for threads, poor VCPU accounting" [Wishlist,Opinion] | 16:51 |
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rfolco | markus_z, cool, will take a look | 16:53 |
jaypipes | mriedem, mlavalle: routed networks spec reviewed. | 16:54 |
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siva_krishnan | Currently I am working on this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1168011 which says we have to change error message displayed when attaching a volume fails. Currently it catches all operation errors that libvirt can raise and assume that all of them are the source of a device being busy. I just what to know what kind of error message and other required info should I put up to make it more generalized. Johnthetubaguy can you ple | 16:55 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1168011 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Nova raise a confusing error when attaching a volume fail" [Low,Confirmed] - Assigned to Sivasathurappan Radhakrishnan (siva-radhakrishnan) | 16:55 |
openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: Adds Hyper-V imagecache cleanup https://review.openstack.org/192618 | 16:57 |
openstackgerrit | Sujitha proposed openstack/nova: Improve help text for availability zones options https://review.openstack.org/316300 | 16:57 |
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johnthetubaguy | siva_krishnan: not sure really what the bug submitter had in mind, what do you think we should do? | 16:57 |
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johnthetubaguy | siva_krishnan: I think its worth reading the libvirt code/docs to work out when that error code we check for could be raised: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/libvirt/driver.py#L1160 | 16:59 |
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gibi | notification subteam meeting starting soon on #openstack-meeting-4 | 16:59 |
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openstackgerrit | Sujitha proposed openstack/nova: Improve help text for availability zones options https://review.openstack.org/316300 | 17:01 |
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siva_krishnan | johnthetubaguy I feel we should change the error as it seems to misleading on what was exactly happening the behind the scenes. I am not sure what message should it be. I saw log message saying ""Failed to attach volume at mountpoint" . Should I put in the same message in exception or "a command to hypervisor failed" as libvirterror code says | 17:04 |
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johnthetubaguy | siva_krishnan: so some of the time, it will fail because the device is busy, thats the most common failure cause | 17:05 |
johnthetubaguy | siva_krishnan: the issue is working out if we can know that, from what libvirt returns, I think... | 17:05 |
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mriedem | siva_krishnan: keep in mind the error handling is in the compute manager which should not have libvirt driver details in it, because that code might not be talking to a libvirt driver at all | 17:06 |
mriedem | could be hyperv or vmware | 17:06 |
johnthetubaguy | mriedem: this code is pointing at the libvirt driver though, I think, but yeah, totally | 17:07 |
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johnthetubaguy | siva_krishnan: mriedem: its talking about this bit, I assume? https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/libvirt/driver.py#L1160 | 17:07 |
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mriedem | johnthetubaguy: yeah you're right | 17:09 |
mriedem | i missed that | 17:09 |
siva_krishnan | johnthetuabguy just saw VIR_ERR_RESOURCE_BUSY which seems to be closer one to DeviceIsBusy. Still I need to check it out. Currently we are handling it for operational failure and putting up a message as "DeviceIsBusy" | 17:09 |
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mlavalle | carl_baldwin: jaypipes gave us a +1. Thanks! | 17:10 |
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siva_krishnan | johnthetuabguy: mriedman http://libvirt.org/guide/html/Application_Development_Guide-Connections-Error_Handling.html was going through this link for error codes | 17:11 |
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siva_krishnan | oops mispelled your name johnthetubaguy | 17:13 |
siva_krishnan | as well as mriedem irc nick | 17:14 |
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carl_baldwin | mlavalle: encouraging. :) | 17:15 |
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alaski | melwitt: deprecating the config options for messaging would be really nice. unfortunately the timeline around that probably won't help us much | 17:19 |
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alaski | melwitt: would it be difficult to do something like check if transport_url can be used, and if not error unless passed in to nova-manage? | 17:20 |
melwitt | alaski: yeah. and I was thinking of what will be provided for migration. maybe nothing? just a signal "update your configs by X time" | 17:20 |
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alaski | yeah, I think so | 17:20 |
melwitt | alaski: I think it would be simple to do that | 17:20 |
alaski | okay. so perhaps we go that route while also trying to deprecate the use of driver specific configs, to encourage transport_url to be set | 17:21 |
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alaski | and I have the same question as you on the zmq stuff | 17:22 |
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melwitt | it's possible some operators have made use of the transport_url option. I just know we didn't. I'm not even sure how we arrived at the nova.conf we had, if we started from a sample or what. and makes me wonder how the sample is generated for the message queue parts | 17:22 |
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melwitt | alaski: I agree we should at least try pulling transport_url to use, that's better than nothing | 17:24 |
alaski | yeah | 17:24 |
melwitt | I guess I was lumping that in with the rabbit impl options, like try transport_url first then fall back to the impl-specific ones | 17:24 |
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alaski | I think we were all thinking that, but I didn't realize that the other options were deprecated | 17:26 |
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alaski | melwitt: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo.messaging/tree/oslo_messaging/opts.py#n58 controls the options that get into the sample config file | 17:28 |
alaski | maybe the deprecated options should be filtered out in this case? | 17:29 |
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melwitt | alaski: maybe. I'm not sure what's usual. and I also don't know what we do in nova for that. list them with their "deprecated" notes for transparency or omit them | 17:32 |
alaski | we list them | 17:32 |
alaski | though I wonder what the value of that is | 17:33 |
melwitt | alaski: also I know the nova.conf that comes out of devstack uses the rabbit impl options, have to trace how that occurs | 17:33 |
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melwitt | alaski: as the nova.conf I find in jenkins job logs have it like that | 17:33 |
alaski | if the sample file is for people looking to confgure something we probably shouldn't point out deprecated things. but there may be other uses I'm not considering | 17:33 |
melwitt | alaski: yeah, I wonder the same | 17:33 |
openstackgerrit | Markus Zoeller (markus_z) proposed openstack/nova: config options: improve help text of database (related) options (1/3) https://review.openstack.org/301238 | 17:34 |
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alaski | good call on devstack. we'll definitely want it using transport_url, both to set an example and so it doesn't need to pass it in to the nova-manage command | 17:35 |
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johnthetubaguy | siva_krishnan: I guess "a command to hypervisor failed" is a bit generic | 17:36 |
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johnthetubaguy | siva_krishnan: I am curious what danpb things about this when he is online, I suspect we can't do any better with narrowing down the error right now, I am curious what other causes there are for that error from libvirt | 17:41 |
mriedem | dansmith: on the get me a network stuff, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283206/14/specs/newton/approved/get-me-a-network.rst@125 - is my thinking correct that when i add the ability to auto-allocate the network in the neutronv2 code, i also update the compute service version in that patch. and then in the rest api change, if 'auto' is requested, i have to check the compute service versions to make sure the min >= what i'm setting in th | 17:41 |
alaski | melwitt: you don't like the new=mock.MagicMock() :) | 17:41 |
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dansmith | mriedem: um, I dunno, I'll look | 17:41 |
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mriedem | dansmith: don't read the whole spec, just my comment | 17:42 |
dansmith | mriedem: heh | 17:43 |
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melwitt | alaski: I wouldn't go as far to say I don't like it, just not sure if it's worth it. It seemed clearer when there's like 10 things being mocked and only a couple are asserted on or set things on | 17:43 |
mriedem | well read the whole spec if you want, but i assume you don't | 17:43 |
dansmith | mriedem: yeah, I think what your #1 and johnthetubaguy says is the best you can do.. if any compute is not new enough, bail | 17:43 |
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dansmith | mriedem: of course, #3 is "can't do this until ocata" but I like #1 better | 17:43 |
mriedem | dansmith: oh true....hold off the rest api until ocata | 17:44 |
dansmith | yeah, but that also kinda sucks | 17:44 |
melwitt | alaski: but even then, a stack of majority unused mock variables isn't really that confusing. I don't know | 17:44 |
dansmith | also you could do #1 for newton and then remove that in ocata once you know you're always good | 17:44 |
dansmith | mriedem: ^ | 17:44 |
mriedem | dansmith: yeah i like that better | 17:45 |
mriedem | don't burn the cycles on the check in ocata | 17:45 |
alaski | melwitt: the main benefit I see to not using new= is that it's easier to line up the test params with the mocks. but really I could go either way | 17:45 |
dansmith | mriedem: yeah, there's really no need to past newton, so it's just your #1 plus more thinking about the long-term.. | 17:45 |
markus_z | nova-bugs team meeting in 15 min in #openstack-meeting-4. New contributors are welcome as well. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova/BugsTeam | 17:45 |
dansmith | mriedem: commentificated | 17:47 |
melwitt | alaski: same here | 17:47 |
alaski | melwitt: well we're a decisive pair :) I'll leave as is for now unless someone else speaks up | 17:48 |
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openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/nova: Add Allocation and AllocationList objects https://review.openstack.org/282442 | 17:48 |
openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/nova: Extend ResourceProvider to have resources and aggregates https://review.openstack.org/284963 | 17:48 |
openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/nova: Add a get_by_uuid for aggregates https://review.openstack.org/284895 | 17:48 |
openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/nova: Correct the Inventory object https://review.openstack.org/315288 | 17:48 |
openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/nova: Add name to ResourceProvider object https://review.openstack.org/281945 | 17:48 |
openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/nova: WIP resource-pools/placement api https://review.openstack.org/293104 | 17:48 |
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auggy | markus_z: thanks for the reminder, my calendar just dinged and I was just about to ask in channel if this was happening :) | 17:50 |
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gibi | johnthetubaguy, jaypipes: I think we managed to agree on both the naming issue and the searchlight related use cases questions today in the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286675/ . I feel (again :D) that it is ready to be reviewed / accepted by the cores. So could you check it please? | 17:51 |
markus_z | auggy: yeah, I'm not quitting yet ;) | 17:51 |
stewie925 | hey guys | 17:52 |
melwitt | alaski: yeah, definitely leave it as is. I mentioned I was rethinking whether it's worth it for future | 17:53 |
alaski | melwitt: cool. thanks for the detailed reviews | 17:54 |
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jaypipes | mriedem, dansmith: would appreciate a review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315043/ if you get a moment. thx in advance. | 17:58 |
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markus_z | nova-bugs team meeting in #openstack-meeting-4. New contributors are welcome as well. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova/BugsTeam | 18:00 |
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jaypipes | gibi: soon as I finish up reviews on bauzas' check-dest-in-migrations I will get on that. | 18:02 |
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openstackgerrit | dane-fichter proposed openstack/nova: Add image cache verification https://review.openstack.org/314222 | 18:05 |
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openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/317195 | 18:06 |
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bauzas | jaypipes: FWIW, I'll upload a new PS tonight for check-dest after discussing with alaski :-) | 18:13 |
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mriedem | mikal: when you're awake and coffee'd up, you might want to take a look at this https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1582684 | 18:17 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1582684 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "nova kilo liberty ceph configdrive upgrade" [High,Confirmed] | 18:17 |
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dane-fichter | is there any documentation relating to how to change the API? | 18:27 |
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dane-fichter | also does anyone know if there's a spec review day coming up? | 18:28 |
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mriedem | dane-fichter: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/api_microversion_dev.html | 18:30 |
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mriedem | dane-fichter: there is no planned spec review day | 18:30 |
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siva_krishnan_ | Thanks johnthetubaguy. I will follow up with danpb about this error message | 18:31 |
diana_clarke | How do I push a bunch of patches to gerrit that are dependent on someone else's unmerged patches? Is that documented somewhere? Thanks! | 18:31 |
dansmith | diana_clarke: just rebase your set on top of theirs | 18:31 |
dane-fichter | mriedem: thanks. | 18:31 |
openstackgerrit | Jay Pipes proposed openstack/nova: Add tests for floating_ip private functions https://review.openstack.org/267768 | 18:32 |
jaypipes | rlrossit: ^^ just a rebase... | 18:32 |
markus_z | dansmith: How do you do this? I do a checkout of that patch from gerrit and then do a local rebase on top of that. Is there an easier way? | 18:33 |
rlrossit | jaypipes: *gasp* | 18:33 |
rlrossit | but thanks. Kinda put those patches off to the side | 18:33 |
dansmith | markus_z: no easier way than I know of, but I also wouldn't characterize that as non-easy | 18:33 |
dansmith | markus_z: you know about "git review -d" I assume | 18:34 |
markus_z | dansmith: I'm always looking for an easier way :) | 18:34 |
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dansmith | markus_z: hire minions? | 18:34 |
raj_sing- | :) | 18:34 |
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dane-fichter | mriedem: any recent changes that you know of which changed the api? | 18:35 |
markus_z | dansmith: I didn't know about "git review -d" :| | 18:35 |
mriedem | markus_z: diana_clarke: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/developers.html#adding-a-dependency | 18:35 |
dansmith | markus_z: ah, that makes it easier for sure | 18:35 |
mriedem | dane-fichter: https://github.com/openstack/nova/commits/master/nova/api/openstack/rest_api_version_history.rst | 18:36 |
melwitt | I don't like 'git review -d' because that rebases the patch underneath that isn't mine. or at least I can't predict when it's going to do that, so I use 'git review -R' | 18:36 |
diana_clarke | Thanks folks, I'll give it a shot. | 18:36 |
dansmith | melwitt: git review -d doesn't rebase anything | 18:36 |
dansmith | at least, not that I've ever seen.. | 18:36 |
dansmith | melwitt: if you git review -d, then git review -R when you submit, you won't rebase the dependent set | 18:37 |
dansmith | but jenkins also might refuse to run it | 18:37 |
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melwitt | dansmith: oh, so 'git review -d' doesn't do a submit? I must be thinking of something else | 18:37 |
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auggy | melwitt: git review -r? | 18:38 |
dansmith | melwitt: no, just downloads a review based on review number | 18:38 |
auggy | ETOOMANYLETTERS | 18:38 |
melwitt | dansmith: okay. my bad | 18:38 |
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melwitt | to grab the patch of someone else's I want to build upon, I've actually been using the gerrit UI upper right corner 'Download' dropdown | 18:40 |
dansmith | git review -d is muuch easier than that, IMHO :) | 18:40 |
melwitt | yeah, I managed to remain ignorant of it somehow | 18:41 |
dansmith | git review -d does more neat tricks, | 18:41 |
dansmith | like it can compose a delta from two patchsets without the other changes from the tree in it | 18:41 |
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melwitt | I clicked 'Download' to get a link to do the fetch and checkout, then create a branch with 'git checkout -b' then commit on top until I was ready to 'git review -R' | 18:41 |
siva_krishnan_ | +1 dansmith | 18:41 |
dansmith | diana_clarke asks a question and I end up looking like a genius.. I love this game :) | 18:42 |
melwitt | hah | 18:42 |
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mriedem | med_: do you have an error in the n-cpu logs when you hit this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1582684 | 18:42 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1582684 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "nova kilo->liberty ceph configdrive upgrade fails" [High,Confirmed] | 18:42 |
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med_ | mriedem, I don't think so. It made it hard to figure out what was going on. | 18:43 |
med_ | I'll add what I do see to that bug. | 18:43 |
med_ | FYI: OUr work around is to pre-populate via script all existing configdrives as rbd by walking through every VM in nova (that isn't deleted) | 18:44 |
mriedem | med_: i think you're spot on with the breaking change, i'm just not sure where it's failing to know how to fix it | 18:44 |
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openstackgerrit | Karen Bradshaw proposed openstack/nova: api-ref: os-consoles.inc https://review.openstack.org/317536 | 18:45 |
med_ | kk clayton gets the nod for spotting the break | 18:45 |
clayton | mriedem: it's failing in libvirt when it tries to attach the rbd device that doesn't exist | 18:46 |
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mriedem | clayton: so here? https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/743d5efccaa99e3b4873831a8f43c216a31c7113/nova/virt/libvirt/driver.py#L4273-L4277 | 18:48 |
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mriedem | because https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/743d5efccaa99e3b4873831a8f43c216a31c7113/nova/virt/libvirt/driver.py#L3406-L3410 | 18:48 |
mriedem | changes the diskconfig path | 18:48 |
med_ | mriedem, do have logs. Adding to ticket. | 18:48 |
clayton | mriedem: yes, that looks right | 18:48 |
mriedem | dansmith: you might want to ring the ceph alarm at red hat | 18:49 |
mriedem | for an upgrade issue | 18:49 |
clayton | iirc, it was when it was trying to plug the diskconfig separately | 18:49 |
clayton | I'm kind of surprised no one else found this before now | 18:49 |
dansmith | mriedem: hmm | 18:49 |
clayton | I assume most people aren't using configdrive with ceph | 18:49 |
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openstackgerrit | Andrew Laski proposed openstack/nova: Keep BuildRequest db entry around longer https://review.openstack.org/302425 | 18:50 |
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med_ | My guess is there is no grenade testing on this. | 18:50 |
mriedem | med_: there isn't | 18:50 |
mriedem | grenade is all local storage | 18:50 |
med_ | mriedem, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16480323/ | 18:50 |
med_ | that's from a throw-away VM of mine. | 18:50 |
med_ | the vm doesn't go to error, just stays in SHUTDOWN <--- that's what was most confusing. | 18:51 |
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dansmith | mriedem: I think melwitt said she wanted to look at this | 18:51 |
med_ | if it is a boot from volume VM (not necessarily CEPH, we have 3 different CINDER backends) it has a similar issue but actually goes to ERROR state. | 18:51 |
mriedem | dansmith: cruel | 18:52 |
med_ | a cold migrate does more "prep" so works fine. A live-mig does not. so if we get one stuck in stopped/shutdwon, we cold mig | 18:52 |
med_ | we are about to deploy the "build all configdrives in rbd" right now | 18:52 |
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med_ | also, not clear if this because we have force config drive. Not sure if the same thing would happen if user had just elected config drive manually | 18:53 |
med_ | don't have a good way to test that either. | 18:53 |
melwitt | dansmith, mriedem: heh. :) indeed I'm interested to jump in on ceph issues | 18:53 |
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jaypipes | sahid: done. | 18:54 |
med_ | melwitt, just subrscribed you directly to 1582684 | 18:55 |
dansmith | mriedem: melwitt: yeah, so I think med_ has done the hard work of figuring out what is going on, so hopefully there is a simplish change to just handle the upgrade case | 18:55 |
melwitt | thanks med_ | 18:55 |
med_ | expect so. | 18:55 |
mikal | mriedem: I am on planes today, but I will try to look at that bug in an airort lounge | 18:55 |
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med_ | here: thanks guys. You rock. Thanks clayton, you rock more. | 18:56 |
mriedem | med_: clayton: you don't get an error because it's a cast https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/743d5efccaa99e3b4873831a8f43c216a31c7113/nova/compute/rpcapi.py#L788 | 18:57 |
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mriedem | to start the instance | 18:57 |
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med_ | nod | 18:58 |
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mriedem | the device not found errors are probably in the libvirt logs | 18:58 |
clayton | yeap | 18:59 |
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openstackgerrit | Samuel Matzek proposed openstack/nova: Reschedule boot when attach volume fails https://review.openstack.org/246505 | 19:00 |
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rosmaita | names | 19:01 |
openstackgerrit | Jay Pipes proposed openstack/nova-specs: WIP Resource providers: dynamic resource classes https://review.openstack.org/312696 | 19:01 |
rosmaita | sdague: did you register a launchpad project for os-api-ref yet? i'm getting a 404 at https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-api-ref | 19:02 |
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openstackgerrit | Sarafraj Singh proposed openstack/nova: [WIP]: Improve help text for barbican options Added format to add more details. https://review.openstack.org/317684 | 19:02 |
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openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack/nova: remove FlavorCreateFailed exception https://review.openstack.org/317438 | 19:02 |
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openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Make compute nodes update their own inventory records https://review.openstack.org/317049 | 19:03 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Make Inventory and ResourceProvider objects use the API DB instead https://review.openstack.org/315682 | 19:03 |
openstackgerrit | Anton Arefiev proposed openstack/nova: Fix update inventory for multiple providers https://review.openstack.org/316031 | 19:03 |
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openstackgerrit | Feodor Tersin proposed openstack/nova-specs: Add ScaleIO ephemeral storage backend https://review.openstack.org/304715 | 19:08 |
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sdague | rosmaita: I did not | 19:11 |
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sdague | rosmaita: what issue did you run into? | 19:12 |
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rosmaita | sdague: not sure it's really a bug, i had some bad rst in my parameters.yaml and it was really hard to figure out that was the problem | 19:12 |
sdague | rosmaita: do you have an example? | 19:13 |
rosmaita | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scratchpad | 19:13 |
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auggy | rosmaita: sdague: it looks like you might have something indented, do you have a link to the change you're working on? | 19:15 |
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rosmaita | auggy: got it fixed now, thanks | 19:15 |
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rosmaita | auggy: it was in patch set 11 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312259/ if you want to see it in the wild | 19:16 |
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auggy | rosmaita: ah cool, yeah that stuff can be confusing :) | 19:17 |
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annegentle | auggy yeah I had to basically delete / build/ repeat by section to try to get it narrowed down. | 19:17 |
sdague | rosmaita: ok, noted. I was actually waiting to figure out the infra decision on tracking software before registering a tracker | 19:17 |
annegentle | even so rosmaita found it :) | 19:17 |
annegentle | sdague use https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-doc-tools please | 19:18 |
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annegentle | it's a collection point for themes, build tools, etc | 19:18 |
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sdague | annegentle: ok, we can do that. | 19:18 |
sdague | lets take this to #openstack-dev | 19:18 |
annegentle | sdague beats waiting on a tracker :) | 19:18 |
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sdague | rosmaita: so, the trick of it is figuring out if there is a way to get the error out of the embedded view with the right point in the state machine. However, at least I think I know how to reproduce it, so I might be able to play around. | 19:26 |
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rosmaita | sdague: yes, it looks tricky ... maybe a "don't do this" tip in the documentation is the way to go | 19:27 |
sdague | yeh, it's just hard to realize that you did to do that | 19:27 |
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openstackgerrit | Diana Clarke proposed openstack/nova: Ploop: add create_from_image & create_from_func https://review.openstack.org/317689 | 19:35 |
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openstackgerrit | Anusha Unnam proposed openstack/nova: [WIP]Improve the help text for compute timeout_opts https://review.openstack.org/317693 | 19:45 |
openstackgerrit | Diana Clarke proposed openstack/nova: Rbd: add create_from_image & create_from_func https://review.openstack.org/317694 | 19:46 |
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mriedem | carl_baldwin: are az's in neutron a thing that anyone uses? | 19:58 |
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mriedem | and what, if any, impact do they have on the routed networks stuff? | 19:58 |
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carl_baldwin | mriedem: AZ awareness was just added to Neutron. Let me see what I can find about it. | 19:59 |
carl_baldwin | mriedem: They are totally orthogonal to routed networks. | 19:59 |
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carl_baldwin | mriedem: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286413/24/specs/mitaka/postmortem/postmortem.rst@243 | 20:00 |
carl_baldwin | ^ This link is a good starting point for what was just added wrt azs. | 20:00 |
carl_baldwin | tl;dr It allows users to select where to place routers and dhcp servers. | 20:01 |
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carl_baldwin | iiuc, they map directly to nova azs. | 20:02 |
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carl_baldwin | To be clear, azs and network segments (for routed networks) are uncorrelated. | 20:02 |
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mriedem | ok. | 20:03 |
mriedem | i just know nova/cinder have weird issues with AZs | 20:03 |
openstackgerrit | Diana Clarke proposed openstack/nova: Flat: add create_from_image & create_from_func https://review.openstack.org/317701 | 20:03 |
mriedem | like when nova creates a volume it passes the instance az and if that az doesn't exist in cinder it fails | 20:04 |
mriedem | unless you set a config flag | 20:04 |
mriedem | when nova creates or updates a port it passes the instance az too | 20:04 |
mriedem | and i think there is a bug related to that somewhere that never got fixed | 20:04 |
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mriedem | this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1453629 | 20:06 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1453629 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Creating neutron ports uses incorrect instance availability zone" [Low,Confirmed] | 20:06 |
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mriedem | i wonder if there are any scenario tests for neutron az's | 20:07 |
mriedem | that use the non-default 'nova' az | 20:07 |
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mriedem | guess not http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/neutron-specs/specs/mitaka/availability-zone.html#tempest-tests | 20:09 |
mriedem | i.e. create a network in az x and boot an instance in az y with network in az x, nova creates the port in the network but specifies az y - i'd expect that to fail | 20:09 |
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doffm | jaypipes, dansmith: Jay made a point in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296062/ about having to deal with duplicate aggregates in the AggregateList operations. | 20:12 |
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carl_baldwin | mriedem: I think networks are still assumed to span all AZs. So, you can't create a network *only* in az x. | 20:12 |
doffm | dansmith: Is that a valid concern? While migration is happening there will be a very brief point where the same aggregate exists in both DB's. | 20:12 |
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doffm | Its a tiny window | 20:13 |
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dansmith | doffm: we're doing this before we expect multiple cells, and we're trying to move aggregates atomiclyish, right? | 20:13 |
dansmith | doffm: I'm not sure I know what the concern is | 20:13 |
mriedem | carl_baldwin: hmm, that's not how i was reading the spec | 20:14 |
mriedem | carl_baldwin: oh, hmm, | 20:15 |
mriedem | "These attributes in no way affect the behavior of Neutron in terms of allowed logical network connectivity. These attributes are simply used as hints to the backend about the location of other resources (compute and storage) that will be using these network resources. " | 20:15 |
doffm | dansmith: We are moving the aggregates atomiclyish not atomically. | 20:15 |
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carl_baldwin | mriedem: That's probably because it is conflating "scheduling a network" with "scheduling the DHCP server for the network." It is confusing. | 20:15 |
doffm | So there *could* be a read that returns a duplicate aggregate. | 20:15 |
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mriedem | carl_baldwin: i think this is how i got to cross pollinating this with routed networks and ip pools for a given aggregate | 20:16 |
dansmith | doffm: so you could merge those results in the get call so that the caller need not know, right? | 20:16 |
carl_baldwin | mriedem: That makes sense. I get the question a lot for similar reasons. | 20:16 |
doffm | dansmith: I could. | 20:16 |
dansmith | doffm: look for any two aggregates in the result that have the same uuid and then merge them | 20:16 |
doffm | dansmith: Ok, thanks. | 20:17 |
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dansmith | doffm: I guess I'd want to see what the impact of returning a dupy list would be | 20:18 |
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dansmith | doffm: if it's just that the api might look wrong to admins for a few seconds, then I dunno that it matters that much | 20:18 |
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dansmith | doffm: if it's that the scheduler will consider a smaller set of hosts for a minute, that's maybe a bigger deal | 20:18 |
doffm | Yeah, i'm worried about scheduler I guess. Its not a huge deal in either case, but one failed schedule we don't want. | 20:19 |
dansmith | doffm: yeah, I mean, you could argue why it's not important, or just merge in there | 20:19 |
doffm | Its not going to have any problem in the scheduler. The scheduler store aggs in a dictionary keyed by ID. Both aggregate records will have the same ID. The dictionary won't contain duplicates anyway. | 20:21 |
dansmith | ah | 20:22 |
dansmith | doffm: but will it merge the results or end up with a partial view? | 20:22 |
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dansmith | the latter I would imagine | 20:22 |
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doffm | It should merge the duplicate aggregates. https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/scheduler/host_manager.py#L360 | 20:24 |
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dansmith | okay cool | 20:26 |
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dansmith | doffm: then maybe 'splain to him why you're totes on top of this already? :) | 20:26 |
sneti | auggy, I have a quick question...for the bugs that are assigned..can I change the status to InProgress (if it is recently assigned) without any message | 20:27 |
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auggy | sneti: no, leave a message asking the owner of the bug to change the status | 20:28 |
auggy | sneti: also ask them to remove themselves as assignee if they are not working on a patch | 20:28 |
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doffm | dansmith: I only just became totes ontop of it | 20:29 |
doffm | But I will now explain. :) | 20:29 |
sneti | auggy, if it has been assigned for a long time, can I just remove the assignee? | 20:29 |
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dansmith | doffm: so what you're saying is.. you were on top of it without even trying? seems better. | 20:29 |
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auggy | sneti: one sec, i'm looking for the wiki page with instructions | 20:30 |
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auggy | sneti: so short answer, yes remove them as assignee | 20:32 |
auggy | sneti: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova/BugsTeam#Queries | 20:32 |
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auggy | sneti: follow the instructions for "Potentially Stale Bugs" | 20:33 |
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auggy | sneti: if the bug was never "Confirmed" or "In Progress" then you can leave it as "New" | 20:33 |
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sneti | auggy, ok...thank you!! | 20:35 |
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auggy | sneti: np, just ask if you have any more questions, thanks for your help! | 20:36 |
sneti | sure auggy!! | 20:37 |
mriedem | carl_baldwin: ok, a couple of questions in the routed networks spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263898/ | 20:37 |
mriedem | but nothing major | 20:38 |
mriedem | carl_baldwin: next question is, when do the TODOs in there get filled in? | 20:38 |
carl_baldwin | mriedem: Thanks, I'll have a look. | 20:38 |
mriedem | since i don't think we can merge a spec that is half TODOs | 20:38 |
carl_baldwin | mriedem: By now, I've forgotten what was left as TODO. Let me look. | 20:38 |
mriedem | carl_baldwin: heh, most of it :) | 20:38 |
mriedem | this spec needs at least 500 more LOC | 20:39 |
mriedem | j/k, sort of | 20:39 |
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dansmith | I agree the TODOs should be resolved | 20:40 |
mriedem | dansmith: heh, i'm glad we're on the same page here | 20:40 |
mriedem | o/ for teamwork | 20:40 |
dansmith | I thought I had commented about that previously, but I don't see it on there | 20:40 |
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carl_baldwin | I'll take care of them. Many of them will just change to None. But, it is time for this spec to grow up now that the general idea is nailed down. | 20:42 |
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carl_baldwin | mriedem and dansmith: Thanks for your time on this. | 20:50 |
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stewie925 | hi alaski and melwitt - I am currently attempting to install devstack cell for bug #1533380 - I understand to add 'enable_servce n-cell' under local.conf | 20:52 |
openstack | bug 1533380 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Creating multiple instances with a single request when using cells creates wrong instance names" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1533380 - Assigned to STEW TY (stewie925) | 20:52 |
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stewie925 | question is: is this devstack install be doable on my pc? I hear from others that they couldnt install 'nova cell' | 20:54 |
stewie925 | I mean 'devstack cell' install - I was able to install the regular devstack successfully before | 20:55 |
sdague | melwitt: any chance you want to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317438/ - it's some additional scrub after objects changes from about 2 years ago that you worked through, so I figured you might remember that | 20:55 |
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alaski | stewie925: the cell install shouldn't take much more resources. It's an additional database in mysql, an additional vhost in rabbit, and two extra services running | 20:55 |
mriedem | stewie925: this is the localrc for the cells ci job v | 20:56 |
mriedem | http://logs.openstack.org/58/316458/2/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-cells/581a698/logs/localrc.txt.gz | 20:56 |
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mriedem | if that helps | 20:56 |
stewie925 | thank you alaski and mriedem | 20:57 |
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melwitt | sdague: sure, will do | 20:57 |
mriedem | sdague: alaski: this is just begging for your +W https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316295/ | 20:58 |
carl_baldwin | mriedem: Has anyone done anything with https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vm-boot-with-unaddressed-port lately? | 20:58 |
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stewie925 | oh hey thank you mriedem for sharing the localrc file | 20:59 |
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mriedem | carl_baldwin: never heard of it | 21:00 |
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stewie925 | but I am installing this on my company machine which is behind co firewall - hopefully the localrc configuration would not be in conflict ? | 21:02 |
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mriedem | stewie925: well you wont' be able to copy it directly | 21:02 |
mriedem | but you can use it to look at ENABLED_SERVICES and some other config options for nova.conf and nova-cells.conf | 21:02 |
sdague | mriedem: +A | 21:03 |
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stewie925 | oh great, I was gonna ask if just copying the enable_services part only would suffice | 21:03 |
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melwitt | stewie925: personally I would just use the same local.conf you had before for non-cells and just add the line "enable_service n-cell" to it | 21:04 |
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melwitt | that's what I do | 21:04 |
stewie925 | thank you melwitt , appreciate it | 21:04 |
mriedem | yeah devstack does most of the work if n-cell is in enabled_services | 21:05 |
mriedem | sdague: thanks | 21:05 |
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carl_baldwin | mriedem: For routed networks, Nova has to allow a deferred IP port somehow. I threw up this review as a placeholder for that a while ago, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299591 , which has been collecting dust. But, it seems like it is time to decide how that will be done. | 21:07 |
carl_baldwin | mriedem: That blueprint seems related. | 21:07 |
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carl_baldwin | mriedem: We've had an idea to put a new attribute on the port so that Nova can know when a port is allowed to not have an IP address. It's value would be one of something like (regular, deferred, unaddressed) | 21:08 |
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carl_baldwin | mriedem: This might look a little more familiar: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239276/ | 21:11 |
mriedem | carl_baldwin: and this https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/servers.py#L468-L474 | 21:12 |
mriedem | carl_baldwin: the spec with no details? yeah, i remember that one. | 21:12 |
mriedem | i remember it had no details. :) | 21:12 |
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carl_baldwin | mriedem: I was thinking of respinning it and adding the details. | 21:13 |
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carl_baldwin | mriedem: I'm not very familiar with the history or the author but I think I have an idea where it needs to go. | 21:14 |
mriedem | carl_baldwin: wouldn't it just need to be part of your routed networks spec? i remember there was mention in your spec about this. | 21:14 |
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carl_baldwin | mriedem: That might be enough. | 21:14 |
carl_baldwin | mriedem: But, I don't go as far as to allow a completely unaddressed port. | 21:14 |
bauzas | could anyone tell me if a API behaviour needs to be the same for a microversion ? | 21:15 |
mriedem | carl_baldwin: this was the original change that added the check you are removing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/79801/ | 21:15 |
mriedem | and surprise surprise port security is part of the issue | 21:16 |
bauzas | tbc, I'm changing how the scheduler is called when an admin provides an host or not, and I'm adding a new force field (and a microversion) | 21:16 |
mriedem | which is a wealth of bugs in this code | 21:16 |
bauzas | but that means that the previous API versions should have the previous behaviour, right? | 21:16 |
bauzas | ie. not calling the scheduler if the admin provided a host | 21:16 |
alaski | bauzas: that's my understanding | 21:17 |
bauzas | fine by me, just wanting to make sure | 21:18 |
carl_baldwin | mriedem: So, since Neutron would be responsible for security on the port, Neutron could tell Nova that its okay for the given port to not enforce this. That's what I have in mind. | 21:18 |
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mriedem | carl_baldwin: which would maybe look like this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284095/ | 21:19 |
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mriedem | carl_baldwin: at least ^ is the recent change for not passing default security groups to neutron when port security is disabled on the network | 21:20 |
carl_baldwin | mriedem: I've never seen that one. Looking... | 21:20 |
mriedem | relatively new | 21:20 |
carl_baldwin | Oh, that one. I remember discussion around that a little bit. | 21:20 |
mriedem | and controversial since it changed the semantics of the api response when booting an instance | 21:21 |
mriedem | yeah, led to this spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301372/ | 21:21 |
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openstackgerrit | Michael Still proposed openstack/nova: New style vendordata support. https://review.openstack.org/317739 | 21:22 |
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mriedem | mikal: would you be so kind as to procedurally -2 that change? | 21:22 |
mriedem | i don't want to -2 too many things before leaving on vacation for 10 days | 21:22 |
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mriedem | carl_baldwin: as for the question of how nova is going to know when to check this, i think it would have to be a flag on the port probably, | 21:24 |
mriedem | we have the same problem with attaching the same volume to multiple instances | 21:24 |
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mriedem | that's handled today with a flag on the volume saying we can do it | 21:24 |
mriedem | so we bypass our checks for that in nova | 21:24 |
mriedem | at least in the proposed code for volume multiattach | 21:24 |
mriedem | although we're trying to push more of that logic into cinder so nova just calls the cinder apis and let them tell us what we can and cant do | 21:25 |
carl_baldwin | mriedem: right, attribute on port is what I suggest too. | 21:25 |
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carl_baldwin | mriedem: should I add to the routed networks spec? | 21:26 |
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mriedem | carl_baldwin: this is at least a work item or dependency for the routed networks spec, so i'd say yeah, you have to say something about it | 21:27 |
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carl_baldwin | mriedem: will do. Spec deep in coming soon | 21:28 |
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mriedem | carl_baldwin: so use case #1 in your spec, that fails without https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299591 | 21:29 |
mriedem | right? | 21:29 |
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openstackgerrit | Karen Bradshaw proposed openstack/nova: api-ref: servers-action-evacuate.inc https://review.openstack.org/314776 | 21:31 |
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mriedem | carl_baldwin: also, on L114 you say, "To distinguish, I expect Nova will make a call to Neutron to show the details of the port. In those details, Neutron will include the segment_id of the each fixed_ip on the port if it is bound to a segment or None if late binding is being used and the segment isn't yet known." - does that let us avoid checking a new attribute on the port? | 21:31 |
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openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova-specs: Get Me a Network https://review.openstack.org/283206 | 21:54 |
mriedem | now with even more words! ^ | 21:54 |
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carl_baldwin | mriedem: sorry for the auto-correct mistakes above. I was typing on mobile. | 22:07 |
carl_baldwin | s/deep in/respin/ | 22:10 |
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