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| melwitt | rm_work: if you're around, do you recall what version you tried your test with re: your comment on this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1863190 | 00:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1863190 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Server group anti-affinity no longer works" [Undecided,New] | 00:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | melanie witt proposed openstack/nova master: Add config option for neutron client retries https://review.opendev.org/712226 | 02:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova stable/queens: libvirt: Ignore DiskNotFound during update_available_resource https://review.opendev.org/711279 | 05:07 |
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| rm_work | melwitt: so that was on rocky -- but we figured out that we had build retries set to 0 so it would never retry, thus breaking that logic | 05:36 |
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| rm_work | And with soft antiaffinity, obviously it would just "work" and so given certain packing schemes, we're almost guaranteed to have them land on the same host, which seems kinda dumb | 05:37 |
| rm_work | The conclusion we came to is that relying on the retry behavior to fix schedule races did not seem like a good approach | 05:38 |
| rm_work | And that there should be better more up front ways of handling that kind of locking | 05:38 |
| rm_work | Octavia does similar locking using DB logic | 05:39 |
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| rm_work | melwitt: johnsom could detail some of that more probably | 06:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: vif: Remove dead code https://review.opendev.org/703146 | 10:49 |
| stephenfin | bauzas: Any chance you could blast these through this morning? https://review.opendev.org/#/c/703973/ https://review.opendev.org/#/c/703974/ | 10:50 |
| stephenfin | Final two patches for nova-net removal | 10:51 |
| stephenfin | bauzas: and if you're doing that, there's another dead easy one here https://review.opendev.org/#/c/686997/ | 10:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova master: images: Move qemu-img info calls into privsep https://review.opendev.org/706897 | 10:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova master: images: Allow the output format of qemu-img info to be controlled https://review.opendev.org/706898 | 10:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova master: virt: Pass request context to extend_volume https://review.opendev.org/706899 | 10:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova master: libvirt: Correctly resize encrypted LUKSv1 volumes https://review.opendev.org/706900 | 10:52 |
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| lyarwood | sean-k-mooney: ^ removed run_as_root and made it clear that the new func is privileged | 10:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova master: DNM - Test TEMPEST_EXTEND_ATTACHED_ENCRYPTED_VOLUME https://review.opendev.org/707593 | 10:56 |
| bauzas | stephenfin: will try | 10:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brin Zhang proposed openstack/nova master: Add new default roles in os-instance-actions policies https://review.opendev.org/706470 | 11:11 |
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| sean-k-mooney | lyarwood: yep reviewing your series now | 11:56 |
| sean-k-mooney | and ya its clearer what you are doing | 11:56 |
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| lyarwood | sean-k-mooney: ack thanks | 12:02 |
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| lyarwood | stephenfin: ^ when you have time later could you hit https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:bug/1861071 again, I'll rebase the followups once this lands now to avoid extra churn in the gate. | 12:11 |
| stephenfin | sure. ping me again if I don't have it done by EOD :) | 12:12 |
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| lyarwood | sure thing | 12:12 |
| lyarwood | and thanks obviously :) | 12:12 |
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| sean-k-mooney | lyarwood: i think i reviewed them all | 12:19 |
| sean-k-mooney | it looks like the chain is broken into 3 seriese so they shoudl all be rebased back into one | 12:19 |
| sean-k-mooney | or at least be rebased so they are update with the bottom 4 patches | 12:20 |
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| lyarwood | sean-k-mooney: yup, I'll rebase the rest later today, just switching to something else for a whil.e | 12:30 |
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| brinzhang | johnthetubaguy: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/706470/ I used your suggestion, that looks like ok for me, I was update that you can review again if you have time ^^ | 12:46 |
| brinzhang | gmann: you can review this patch, and move the problem from your list I asked before | 12:48 |
| luyao | gibi: are you around? | 13:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Brin Zhang proposed openstack/nova master: Granular GET os-instance-actions API policies https://review.opendev.org/711791 | 13:07 |
| gibi | luyao: hi! | 13:07 |
| luyao | gibi: Would you like review the vpmem live migration support? I need someone help me confirm if the implementations is OK. :D | 13:08 |
| luyao | https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:support-live-migration-with-virtual-persistent-memory+(status:open+OR+status:merged) | 13:08 |
| gibi | luyao: sure. I can try. I have to finish the review of the cyborg integration first but then I can look at your series | 13:08 |
| luyao | gibi: Thank you. looking forward for your comments. FYI. I don't add enough testcases now, if the implementation is acceptable, I'll do that. | 13:11 |
| gibi | luyao: OK, I will keep that in mind | 13:12 |
| brinzhang | luyao: I will tyr to check your patch tomorrow ^^ | 13:12 |
| luyao | brinzhang: Thanks, welcome. :D | 13:13 |
| brinzhang | luyao: I already add that to me review list, and will do later | 13:13 |
| brinzhang | We would like this feature | 13:14 |
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| luyao | brinzhang: Great. | 13:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: [Community goal] Update contributor documentation https://review.opendev.org/712420 | 13:26 |
| gibi | stephenfin: ussuri community goal doc change ^^ | 13:27 |
| gibi | stephenfin: I feel you will have comments about it | 13:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova master: Pass allocations to virt drivers when reverting resize https://review.opendev.org/712118 | 13:53 |
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| dansmith | gibi: thoughts on the vmware deprecation patch? I'm glad it got some attention raised, but we've been a long time without vmware ci and despite some response, I feel like we probably need a deadline or something to make sure something happens | 14:16 |
| dansmith | I'm not even sure when the last time the vmware ci commented on a nova change, but I feel like it's been a *long* time | 14:17 |
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| sean-k-mooney | dansmith: we could merge the patch propose a revert and hold it until m3. if the ci is running by m3 we merge the revert if not then leave it | 14:23 |
| dansmith | yep, we could also convert this to just a quality warning, merge that now, and hold the deprecation warning on the ci | 14:24 |
| dansmith | which i think is what we did for xen | 14:24 |
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| gmann | brinzhang: i will check after coffee. | 14:25 |
| brinzhang | gmann: cool, thanks | 14:26 |
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| mriedem | we merged the deprecation warning for xen in train, it wasn't contingent | 14:30 |
| dansmith | okay when I was looking for examples, I found a "merge quality warning" for one of the drivers before a deprecation | 14:33 |
| gibi | dansmith: we can merge a deprecation warning without causing extra problem to hemna and undeprecate if vmware ci magicly shows up | 14:33 |
| mriedem | looks like dan's patch has at least gotten the necessary attention, | 14:33 |
| mriedem | whether that holds or not i guess we'll see | 14:33 |
| dansmith | gibi: ack, well, that's what I've got up, so maybe go vote on that :) | 14:34 |
| gibi | the real break happens if we delete something | 14:34 |
| gibi | dansmith: will do | 14:34 |
| mriedem | yeah the people -1ing the change are saying "please don't delete it" | 14:34 |
| mriedem | which isn't what the patch does | 14:34 |
| dansmith | mriedem: I quote you: " After three months since the quality warning change merged [1] | 14:34 |
| dansmith | there has still been no progress in finding a maintainer for" | 14:34 |
| mriedem | they can -1 the patch to remove the driver in a later release if it gets to that point | 14:34 |
| dansmith | https://github.com/openstack/nova/commit/af280ffe3098b84123eae218989ea056e9935bf1 | 14:35 |
| dansmith | but I'd rather go straight to deprecation, | 14:35 |
| mriedem | good thing i was so verbose in my commit messages :) | 14:35 |
| dansmith | and then we can avoid removing it if CI shows up, and un-deprecate if it looks like CI will stick around | 14:36 |
| mriedem | i think there is more than enough ammo for vmware deprecation based on repeated attempts in the ML to figure out what's going on with CI over the last several years, | 14:36 |
| dansmith | agree, and like I said, I'd be kinda surprised if it really works in U after all the provider stuff | 14:36 |
| dansmith | working in queens I totally believe | 14:37 |
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| jkulik | fyi, we (SAP) reached out to VMware to get a statement on their upstream approach. they weren't ready for one, yet. | 14:37 |
| mriedem | i forget her name but i was sending emails about the lack of CI back when the old project manager was involved | 14:38 |
| dansmith | IMHO, to keep it we need more than just CI too.. we need support for devstack problems, like the one referenced on the mailing list and general confidence that it's working for more than just trivial CI configurations | 14:38 |
| mriedem | jkulik: as far as i know vmware hasn't had an "upstream" team in awhile | 14:38 |
| mriedem | cdent was the last closest person to that for nova at least | 14:38 |
| dansmith | and honestly, it has always been a fight to keep them involved, which is pretty exhausting | 14:39 |
| mriedem | i'm sure that team would say it was exhausting dealing with us as well :) | 14:39 |
| mriedem | "what do you mean my bug fix needs tests?!" | 14:39 |
| jkulik | as far as I heard: yes, they found it exhausting. | 14:41 |
| mriedem | heh | 14:41 |
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| dansmith | yeah I have no doubt | 14:41 |
| mriedem | i mean, quality control, who needs it | 14:42 |
| mriedem | psh | 14:42 |
| jkulik | main problem seems to be, that they have their own product based on openstack which works fine for them | 14:42 |
| mriedem | VIO | 14:42 |
| mriedem | right? | 14:42 |
| jkulik | yes | 14:42 |
| mriedem | sure, with patches | 14:42 |
| dansmith | and that's cool, but we don't need to keep a broken driver in our tree, especially with people asking on the ML why it doesn't work | 14:42 |
| mriedem | so you buy that thing and you're stuck with them for support b/c of the patches | 14:42 |
| jkulik | sure, they need to make money off it | 14:43 |
| jkulik | otherwise everybody could just install openstack ;) | 14:43 |
| * gibi voted with a +2 but holds +W for a day or so | 14:43 | |
| sean-k-mooney | jkulik: our they could enforce an upstream first poicy for all freatres and backports | 14:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | *or | 14:43 |
| jkulik | which they obviously still make money from, because you'd still have VMware hypervisors and stuff | 14:43 |
| jkulik | tbh, upstream first is hard. | 14:44 |
| * jkulik looks at the patches accumulating in our environment | 14:44 | |
| sean-k-mooney | it can be but its generally worth it. i thnik the quality of the final solution is typically better | 14:44 |
| sean-k-mooney | but it is a higher barrier to entry for enableing a feature | 14:45 |
| jkulik | I agree. But some things you can't upstream and once you're down that road, you're not that willing to upstream the rest. | 14:45 |
| mriedem | depends on where you want to invest time and money, up front or on the backside dealing with maintaining a fork | 14:45 |
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| dansmith | jkulik: we're not arguing that they shouldn't have a downstream.. we're arguing that if they want their base in the upstream, there's a minimum bar and we're not going to do their maintenance for free, that's all | 14:46 |
| dansmith | we all make money from openstack one way or the other, nobody here doesn't recognize that | 14:46 |
| mriedem | and getting the team culture in place for people that aren't used to having their code reviewed | 14:46 |
| mriedem | i make $0 from openstack now | 14:46 |
| mriedem | wtf am i even doing in this conversation? :) | 14:46 |
| jkulik | sorry :D | 14:47 |
| dansmith | mriedem: well, the 5th year senior that still hangs around campus being the exception :) | 14:47 |
| mriedem | i get older, nova stays the same....wait | 14:47 |
| lyarwood | haha | 14:47 |
| dansmith | LOLOL | 14:47 |
| jkulik | I think my main problem is, that I can't convince VMware to do the maintenance upstream and need that driver to work ;) | 14:47 |
| mriedem | jkulik: so can SAP have one or two developers that start working on it? | 14:48 |
| mriedem | it's not like vmware is the only company that can work on that driver | 14:48 |
| dansmith | jkulik: I want lots of things for free too | 14:48 |
| mriedem | it's been on life support for years | 14:48 |
| sean-k-mooney | jkulik: do you consume the driver directly form upstream or via the vio product | 14:49 |
| jkulik | I can talk to my managers about it, but given our team size, it'll basically still be life-support. | 14:49 |
| jkulik | from upstream directly | 14:49 |
| sean-k-mooney | ok makes sense | 14:49 |
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| dansmith | jkulik: you know every time we make a change to the virt drivers, we have to make a change to the vmware one, and with no tests, we don't know if it works or not right? that's a lot of burden for us, and if you look at all the changes to that driver in the last two years, it's just that.. guesses. | 14:51 |
| jkulik | dansmith: yes. I totally get that. | 14:51 |
| jkulik | in addition, VMware doesn't work like libvirt at all in too many cases. | 14:51 |
| dansmith | yup :/ | 14:52 |
| sean-k-mooney | the current vmware driver talks to vspher too right rather then to esxi | 14:53 |
| mriedem | at least we don't have the 1:M host:node thing with that driver anymore | 14:53 |
| mriedem | doesn't mean a single node isn't hosting 1K instances which crash the RT | 14:53 |
| sean-k-mooney | so while esxi can be used without a licnce vsphere cant so we cant do first party ci even if we and the capastity to maintain it | 14:54 |
| jkulik | the driver talks to vsphere, one nova node is a cluster (multiple hypervisors), but nova doesn't know about it | 14:54 |
| mriedem | which has been a major pain point with the vmware team over the years, trying to change the nova architecture to handle that type of scale on a single node | 14:54 |
| mriedem | jkulik: yeah i know | 14:54 |
| mriedem | to nova it's a node with several thousand VMs potentially | 14:54 |
| jkulik | yes | 14:54 |
| mriedem | unlike libvirt with maybe a couple dozen | 14:54 |
| dansmith | ...which is why I'm dubious about all the placement stuff really working these days | 14:54 |
| jkulik | we recently ran into a problem with that concept, trying to deploy really big VMs | 14:55 |
| sean-k-mooney | dansmith: well we added the same host migrate thing last cycle right? | 14:55 |
| hemna | so the driver won't work in U ? | 14:55 |
| sean-k-mooney | so at least at that point it worked | 14:55 |
| sean-k-mooney | but ya not sure placment will imporve performance or schduling in anyway | 14:55 |
| dansmith | hemna: we have no idea | 14:55 |
| dansmith | sean-k-mooney: which? | 14:55 |
| jkulik | which is the main pain point ... not knowing if stuff even works | 14:56 |
| hemna | sorry I haven't been following nova as much lately, but has there been a change that would cause the driver to not work? | 14:56 |
| dansmith | hemna: lots of them | 14:56 |
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| hemna | :( | 14:57 |
| dansmith | sean-k-mooney: actually the second to last one had a report from vmware ci that said it failed | 14:58 |
| dansmith | sean-k-mooney: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/681004/ | 14:58 |
| mriedem | hemna: you know how cinder has/had a pretty aggressive rule about deprecating volume drivers with no reporting/reliable ci in just a single release? | 14:59 |
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| mriedem | the vmware ci has been pretty much a no show for *years* | 14:59 |
| hemna | yah, I think we are changing from that though slowly | 14:59 |
| hemna | :( | 14:59 |
| mriedem | sure, because fewer maintainers to care | 14:59 |
| mriedem | and cinder also has like 100 damn drivers | 14:59 |
| hemna | ok, well it would be in our interest to keep it in tree, so maybe we can twist some arms with our support with vmware | 14:59 |
| sean-k-mooney | dansmith: i was refering to mriedem COMPUTE_SAME_HOST_COLD_MIGRATE changes https://github.com/openstack/nova/commit/4921e822e73383af0c8da4c5e3acfaa021eafe68 | 14:59 |
| sean-k-mooney | dansmith: that was the last entirly vmware specific feature i recall | 15:00 |
| dansmith | sean-k-mooney: vmware failed on that | 15:00 |
| sean-k-mooney | oh ok | 15:00 |
| dansmith | I don't think that was for vmware specifically, IIRC | 15:00 |
| mriedem | it wasn't | 15:00 |
| mriedem | it's just the only driver that will report that trait | 15:01 |
| dansmith | right | 15:01 |
| mriedem | for libvirt it means you can configure the api to allow same-host RESIZE but prevent the API from telling the scheduler "oh sure send cold migrations there also" | 15:01 |
| sean-k-mooney | ah ok i was just looking at the release note and it mentioned ``VMwareVCDriver`` sepecifclaly | 15:01 |
| mriedem | and then those fail | 15:01 |
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| sean-k-mooney | ah ok | 15:02 |
| dansmith | sean-k-mooney: I think this was because we knew we had broken their same-host-migrate requirement so we were trying to add a thing to make it possible for them again | 15:02 |
| sean-k-mooney | right which is an example of use trying to maintain a driver we cant properly test | 15:03 |
| sean-k-mooney | /use/us | 15:03 |
| dansmith | yup, | 15:03 |
| dansmith | so we definitely broke them, and then merged something to try to unbreak them, but without tests, hard to say if it even works | 15:04 |
| jkulik | what I get from the discussion: our team should interact more with upstream and we should try to create a CI ASAP ourselves, if we want the driver to continue to live upstream | 15:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: libvirt: Remove MIN_LIBVIRT_MULTIATTACH https://review.opendev.org/710238 | 15:04 |
| jkulik | and keep it running :) | 15:05 |
| mriedem | tbc https://review.opendev.org/#/c/695220/ wasn't about a placement related regression, | 15:05 |
| mriedem | it was a latent bug since forever | 15:05 |
| mriedem | i just finally got around to fixing it *using* placement | 15:05 |
| sean-k-mooney | sure you were fixing https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1748697 | 15:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1748697 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Cold migration fails when the filter only returns the host where the vm is located and the vm status is set to ERROR" [Low,Fix released] - Assigned to Matt Riedemann (mriedem) | 15:06 |
| dansmith | yup | 15:06 |
| stephenfin | lyarwood: got the last of those os-hypervisors backports for you here, if you have time https://review.opendev.org/#/c/711670/ | 15:06 |
| gibi | jkulik: if you can show some movement around that CI during early Victoria then I think that will help us not deleting the driver from tree | 15:06 |
| lyarwood | stephenfin: ack'd | 15:07 |
| sean-k-mooney | it looks like there is a limvied free verion of vsphere too https://www.vmware.com/products/vsphere-hypervisor.html im not sure if that would be useable for ci but if the end user lisence agreement allowed it it might be possible to create a first party ci. | 15:11 |
| hemna | dansmith do you guys have a page/docs for setting up a nova CI? in case we have to try and do it ourselves to report upstream | 15:11 |
| dansmith | hemna: I think the infra team might have some general docs, but I'm not sure we have nova specific ones.. but I'm really the wrong person to ask | 15:12 |
| gibi | hemna: there is a generic infra doc https://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/third_party.html | 15:12 |
| hemna | ok thanks. I had setup a cinder CI ages ago and it's non trivial to manage | 15:12 |
| sean-k-mooney | the zull docs are pretty useful too. | 15:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: objects: Add online migration for legacy NUMA objects https://review.opendev.org/537414 | 15:27 |
| mriedem | hemna: there are also some relatively recent blogs that i've seen, e.g. https://01.org/openstack/blogs/manjeets/2019/how-test-open-source-hardware-drivers-zuul-v3-and-docker-compose | 15:27 |
| mriedem | from what i remember it sounded like zuulv3 made it quite a bit simpler | 15:27 |
| hemna | mriedem thank you. I'll check it out | 15:28 |
| sean-k-mooney | mriedem: they have an example docker compose that deploy zuul/nodepool/gerrit and all the other infra for dev | 15:28 |
| hemna | sean-k-mooney that would be nice | 15:28 |
| sean-k-mooney | which is useful if you want to work on createign a job but i havent read the blog so im not sure if they have a production guide | 15:29 |
| gibi | dansmith: could you add me to the NovaDrivers launchpad group | 15:31 |
| dansmith | gibi: I dunno, can I? :) | 15:31 |
| * dansmith looks | 15:31 | |
| gibi | at least you are in the group | 15:31 |
| gibi | efried_gone, mriedem: ^^ could you help if dansmith cannot? | 15:32 |
| dansmith | gibi: "owner: openstack administrators" | 15:32 |
| dansmith | I don't think we can do it | 15:32 |
| dansmith | what do you need it for? | 15:32 |
| gibi | according to the process we need LP milestones defined (at least we had for train) but we don't have them for ussuri at all | 15:33 |
| dansmith | ah okay | 15:33 |
| gibi | btw https://launchpad.net/~nova-drivers/+members shows that you are a member but not an admin. so I guess I need and admin | 15:33 |
| dansmith | Yep, I can't add | 15:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: objects: Add online migration for legacy NUMA objects https://review.opendev.org/537414 | 15:35 |
| gibi | dansmith: thanks for trying | 15:35 |
| gibi | melwitt: could you add me to https://launchpad.net/~nova-drivers/+members ? | 15:36 |
| mriedem | i can sec | 15:36 |
| gibi | mriedem: thanks! | 15:36 |
| mriedem | crap, "Claudio Hollanda (gibi) has been added as a member of this team." | 15:36 |
| dansmith | seems like it's only these people https://launchpad.net/~openstack-admins | 15:36 |
| mriedem | double crap "Dobos Balázs (balazs) has been added as a member of this team." | 15:36 |
| mriedem | gibi: what is your launchpad id? | 15:37 |
| gibi | balazs-gibizer | 15:37 |
| mriedem | ok done | 15:37 |
| gibi | I was late for the LP party | 15:37 |
| dansmith | mriedem: am I missing where that's done or do you have more powers? | 15:37 |
| gibi | mriedem: thanks a bunch | 15:37 |
| dansmith | oh, I see, | 15:38 |
| dansmith | I'm not an admin for that group, just a member | 15:38 |
| mriedem | dansmith: you are now | 15:38 |
| dansmith | ah, I see now.. sweet, thanks | 15:38 |
| mriedem | could probably drop mikal and laski from that group | 15:43 |
| mriedem | i mean, single tear and all | 15:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova master: libvirt: Use virDomainBlockCopy to swap volumes with Libvirt >= 5.10.0 https://review.opendev.org/696834 | 15:45 |
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| gmann | brinzhang: done. | 16:16 |
| gmann | policy are not changed for its name etc need not to add in deprecation separately, base rule deprecation handle the deprecation for them. | 16:19 |
| gmann | we are using base rule for our policies check_str so that common things like deprecation for common check_str and override by operator are easy to do. | 16:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova stable/train: Fix os-keypairs pagination links https://review.opendev.org/711895 | 16:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam Mann proposed openstack/nova master: Cleanup test for system reader and reader_or_owner rules https://review.opendev.org/712515 | 17:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | melanie witt proposed openstack/nova master: Add config option for neutron client retries https://review.opendev.org/712226 | 18:55 |
| openstackgerrit | melanie witt proposed openstack/nova master: Add config option for neutron client retries https://review.opendev.org/712226 | 18:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: Handle unset 'connection_info' https://review.opendev.org/686997 | 19:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: nova-net: Remove unnecessary exception handling, mocks https://review.opendev.org/703973 | 19:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: nova-net: Remove unused nova-network objects https://review.opendev.org/697156 | 19:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sundar Nadathur proposed openstack/nova master: Create and bind Cyborg ARQs. https://review.opendev.org/631244 | 19:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Sundar Nadathur proposed openstack/nova master: Pass accelerator requests to each virt driver from compute manager. https://review.opendev.org/698581 | 19:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Sundar Nadathur proposed openstack/nova master: Compose accelerator PCI devices into domain XML in libvirt driver. https://review.opendev.org/631245 | 19:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Sundar Nadathur proposed openstack/nova master: Delete ARQs for an instance when the instance is deleted. https://review.opendev.org/673735 | 19:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Sundar Nadathur proposed openstack/nova master: Enable hard/soft reboot with accelerators. https://review.opendev.org/697940 | 19:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Sundar Nadathur proposed openstack/nova master: Enable start/stop of instances with accelerators. https://review.opendev.org/699553 | 19:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Sundar Nadathur proposed openstack/nova master: Enable and use COMPUTE_ACCELERATORS trait. https://review.opendev.org/699554 | 19:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Sundar Nadathur proposed openstack/nova master: Bump compute rpcapi version and reduce Cyborg calls. https://review.opendev.org/704227 | 19:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Sundar Nadathur proposed openstack/nova master: Block unsupported instance operations with accelerators. https://review.opendev.org/674726 | 19:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Sundar Nadathur proposed openstack/nova master: Add cyborg tempest job. https://review.opendev.org/670999 | 19:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova master: libvirt: Use oslo.utils >= 4.1.0 to fetch format-specific image data https://review.opendev.org/710785 | 19:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova master: libvirt: Always provide the size in bytes when calling virDomainBlockResize https://review.opendev.org/707590 | 19:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova master: images: Remove Libvirt specific configurable use from qemu_img_info https://review.opendev.org/707591 | 19:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova master: libvirt: Remove QEMU_VERSION_REQ_SHARED https://review.opendev.org/710239 | 19:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova master: images: Make JSON the default output format of calls to qemu-img info https://review.opendev.org/711679 | 19:36 |
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| fungi | anybody have any recent experience with using the vsphere virt driver? or know someone who might be able to reply to http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-March/013066.html | 20:37 |
| fungi | the author of that post is privately random e-mailing osf staff now trying to find out who has experience with it | 20:38 |
| melwitt | fungi: maybe try KeithMnemonic | 20:42 |
| fungi | thanks melwitt! | 20:42 |
| fungi | granted they started out e-mailing the contact address for the openstack website, until several of us suggested they reach out to the openstack-discuss ml | 20:43 |
| fungi | so i'm not sure i'd wish this on anyone | 20:44 |
| sean-k-mooney | fungi well we did spend like 30 mins disucssing should we deprecated teh driver eailer | 20:44 |
| fungi | that sounds like legitimate details to me ;) | 20:44 |
| sean-k-mooney | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-nova/%23openstack-nova.2020-03-11.log.html#t2020-03-11T14:16:55 | 20:45 |
| sean-k-mooney | fungi: the issue is the vmware ci has not been running/passing for months and we dont actully know if it still works | 20:46 |
| melwitt | yeah, I could see deprecating it. we deprecated the xen driver last year I think | 20:46 |
| sean-k-mooney | fungi: we think it does but there is no one active that works on it | 20:46 |
| sean-k-mooney | looking at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems/VMware_CI | 20:47 |
| sean-k-mooney | Salvatore Orlando and Sihan Wang were the main contacts | 20:47 |
| fungi | yeah, i haven't seen either of then in irc in ages | 20:48 |
| sean-k-mooney | but i dont think salv-orlando has been active for like 2+ years | 20:48 |
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| fungi | right, that matches my recollection | 20:48 |
| melwitt | I have seen gkotton relatively recently I feel like ... on gerrit | 20:48 |
| melwitt | and like https://review.opendev.org/#/q/project:openstack/oslo.vmware that's the only hints I see that there are people working on it | 20:51 |
| * melwitt bbl | 20:52 | |
| fungi | thanks, passing all that along | 20:58 |
| dansmith | fungi: glad to know that foundation staff are getting hounded | 21:00 |
| fungi | we're usually the first folks who get contacted by users who don't know where to find contact information | 21:01 |
| mriedem | gary left vmware | 21:01 |
| mriedem | awhile back | 21:01 |
| mriedem | fyi | 21:01 |
| dansmith | fungi: not because I'm glad you're feeling the pain, but glad that it forms some justification that vmware isn't around to support it being in upstream | 21:01 |
| dansmith | fungi: after that email went 5 days with no response I posted the deprecation patch | 21:01 |
| fungi | in theory this is what a user committee is for, but... | 21:01 |
| dansmith | fungi: which lo and behold had people out of the woodwork | 21:01 |
| fungi | nobody out of the woodwork enough to answer the e-mail though | 21:02 |
| dansmith | right | 21:02 |
| dansmith | just out of the woodwork to beg to keep it in tree for marketing reasons (my embellishment) | 21:02 |
| fungi | i just feel bad about it in part because i suggested they contact openstack-discuss | 21:02 |
| dansmith | in this case, that's the right thing to do, they're trying to get upstream nova to work with upstream devstack | 21:03 |
| fungi | yep | 21:03 |
| dansmith | we can't really help them though, because we have no idea if it's even supposed to work | 21:03 |
| dansmith | CI hasn't voted in ages, and last it did, it reported error | 21:03 |
| fungi | oh, i totally agree | 21:03 |
| sean-k-mooney | i could reply and ask them to provide the n-cpu log because there initall email was just "devstack failed because n-cpu did not start" | 21:03 |
| fungi | more just sad that there are users who have been effectively abandoned by the folks who were maintaining the driver | 21:04 |
| sean-k-mooney | but honestly i know almost nothing baout vmware so unless its a really really dumb error i wont be able to help | 21:04 |
| fungi | sean-k-mooney: right, it's entirely possible the issue they're running into isn't even vmware-specific, but mentioning vmware in any question is a quick way to turn off most people's brains | 21:05 |
| dansmith | well, I think it's more likely that one of the many virt-related changes lately have caused that driver to not even be able to report resources properly | 21:05 |
| mriedem | sean-k-mooney: i need you for some other hardware acceleration related wild goose chases actually | 21:05 |
| sean-k-mooney | well i did look at the main but it was just teh error you get whenever the compute service is not started properly | 21:05 |
| dansmith | IMHO, the overstretched nova team doesn't need to be spending any time trying to maintain (and help users) for a driver we can't even test | 21:06 |
| sean-k-mooney | mriedem: haha if someone offeres you enginering samples of hardware and will pay you to look at it run | 21:06 |
| dansmith | we should be communicating clearly that we expect it's broken | 21:06 |
| sean-k-mooney | pre alpha hardware sucks | 21:06 |
| * fungi wholeheartedly agrees | 21:06 | |
| dansmith | fungi: feel free to comment: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/712101/ | 21:07 |
| dansmith | fungi: even if "even I was asked for help because clearly there's no resources for users" | 21:07 |
| fungi | i'm trying to find nice ways to more or less say that in my reply to the private e-mail this user has sent me, without putting words in anyone's mouths and instead just linking to the currently available public resources | 21:08 |
| sean-k-mooney | fungi: you could link to the irc logs of this conversation | 21:08 |
| dansmith | fungi: link them to the patch saying "It looks like you shouldn't expect this to work, sorry, we're working on getting the messaging out... $link" | 21:08 |
| fungi | dansmith: sean-k-mooney: yes, both of those things, thanks! | 21:09 |
| fungi | though since xuel@vmware.com has volunteered in https://review.opendev.org/712101 to receive requests for assistance, i'll mention that in my reply | 21:16 |
| melwitt | mriedem: ack, thanks didn't know that | 21:26 |
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| melwitt | hoo dang devstack worked the first time. yesss | 21:28 |
| sean-k-mooney | melwitt: that normally works for me if i am using a clean vm and i have done an os update and rebooted first | 21:29 |
| melwitt | *devstack with ceph plugin | 21:29 |
| sean-k-mooney | ah | 21:29 |
| melwitt | I had a hell of a time last time. this time all smooth | 21:29 |
| melwitt | cause if it fails in the middle for any reason, restarting it didn't seem to work. just keeps tripping over itself | 21:30 |
| melwitt | restarting meaning run ./stack.sh again | 21:30 |
| sean-k-mooney | did you run clean.sh or unstack before runing stack again | 21:30 |
| melwitt | I didn't | 21:31 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya thats proably your issue | 21:31 |
| melwitt | do those still work ok? that was why I hesitated, didn't want to make it worse. but, I ended up having to start all over from scratch anyway so I should have tried it | 21:31 |
| sean-k-mooney | unstack works fine. clean more or less works fine but ocationally it misses files | 21:32 |
| melwitt | ok, good to know | 21:32 |
| sean-k-mooney | unstack is much safer to run | 21:32 |
| sean-k-mooney | then clean | 21:32 |
| dansmith | yeah I try to fix bugs in ./clean.sh when I find them | 21:32 |
| dansmith | like in cyborg lately | 21:32 |
| * melwitt learning intensifies | 21:33 | |
| sean-k-mooney | if you just run stack twice you can get into weird race condition where agents are running but you recrate the db and things break | 21:33 |
| sean-k-mooney | actully speaking of cyborg i should rebase my patch for there devstack plugin | 21:40 |
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