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| gibi | dansmith, sean-k-mooney, stephenfin: look what a skeleton I found as a result of the yesterday's db credentials discussion https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1903824 | 09:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1903824 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Nova defaults [database]connection to local sqlite database while the config doc says it is defaulted to None" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Balazs Gibizer (balazs-gibizer) | 09:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Prevent nova-compute start with DB credentials https://review.opendev.org/762176 | 09:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Remove [database]connection defaulting https://review.opendev.org/762319 | 09:56 |
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| stephenfin | oh, wow :-D | 09:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Prevent nova-compute start with DB credentials https://review.opendev.org/762176 | 10:00 |
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| owalsh | stephenfin, gibi: re the nova db creds issues, is this likely to break a lot of config mgmt that assumes nova.conf can be common to all nova services? | 10:51 |
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| gibi | owalsh: if a config management tool did that and also used rpc pin 'auto' then it was already broken for a long time | 10:53 |
| owalsh | gibi: I thought it would always fail now? | 10:54 |
| gibi | yes, it will now fail even if rpc pin is not set to 'auto' | 10:54 |
| gibi | also the documentation advise against setting [api_database]connection to nova-compute service https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/configuration/config.html#api_database.connection | 10:54 |
| gibi | owalsh: what do you suggest? Do we make just a warning on master? | 10:55 |
| gibi | wait a cycle, then move to hard fail? | 10:55 |
| owalsh | gibi: I think we need /etc/nova/nova-compute.conf | 10:55 |
| owalsh | we can not longer share /etc/nova/nova.conf | 10:55 |
| gibi | I don't think nova suggested to share the nova.conf between services | 10:56 |
| gibi | by default devstack generates nova-cpu.conf and that is the only conf passed to n-cpu | 10:56 |
| owalsh | then nova-compute shouldn't default to /etc/nova/nova.conf | 10:56 |
| openstackgerrit | chengsheng proposed openstack/nova master: Add hypervisor CPU feature check during live migration https://review.opendev.org/762330 | 10:57 |
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| owalsh | I can fix this for tripleo and it's use of puppet-nova, but I would be concerned about other use cases of puppet-nova | 10:58 |
| gibi | owalsh: do you refer to the doc in https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/cli/nova-compute.html#files that states nova.conf? | 10:58 |
| openstackgerrit | YumengBao proposed openstack/nova-specs master: libvirt supports composing cyborg owned vGPU accelerator into domain XML https://review.opendev.org/750116 | 10:59 |
| gibi | owalsh: I did not find any other places that makes the suggestion that nova-compute needs nova.conf | 11:01 |
| owalsh | gibi: how about the .debs/.rpms? | 11:01 |
| gibi | I have no power over packagers, but sure we can ask them on the ML | 11:02 |
| gibi | zigo: does the deb packages share nova.conf between the controller and the compute service? | 11:03 |
| owalsh | gibi: for the rpms at least, the compute systemd runs /usr/bin/nova-compute | 11:03 |
| owalsh | which will default to /etc/nova/nova.conf | 11:03 |
| gibi | I don't find where nova implements that defaulting to /etc/nova/nova.conf | 11:05 |
| gibi | stephenfin, dansmith: ^^ do you know where it is implemented? | 11:05 |
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| gibi | owalsh: I can reproduce that default behavior in devstack. So somewhere we says that nova-compute should read the nova.conf by default | 11:11 |
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| owalsh | gibi: ack, and puppet-nova (at least) is designed to generate one and only one nova.conf for all services by default | 11:13 |
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| gibi | that behavior is problematic regardless of what we are doing here. How puppet-nova is able to support multi cell deployments then? The different cell conductors needs to be pointed to different dbs | 11:15 |
| owalsh | typically not on the same host | 11:16 |
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| gibi | but then if the nova-compute is on its own host then that nova-compute can have a nova.conf generated without db credentials | 11:17 |
| owalsh | gibi: yes, but an all-in-one api+compute deployment will not work | 11:18 |
| gibi | so I guess the only problematic scenario is when all in one | 11:18 |
| gibi | yeah | 11:18 |
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| owalsh | snap :-) that's where the issue came up in CI but it shows how the conf logic in nova is far from ideal | 11:19 |
| gibi | so with the current change we break all-in-one puppet-nova. But if we change what is the default config read by nova-compute we would still break puppet-nova as it only generates a singel config | 11:19 |
| gibi | but also we break not only the all-in-one case but every csae | 11:20 |
| gibi | case | 11:20 |
| owalsh | yea, would need a deprecation cycle to alter this | 11:20 |
| gibi | I need second opinion from dansmith about all these | 11:20 |
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| gibi | I do feel that nova should not bend over to support all-in-one cases, and the normal deployment cases migth depend on the fact that nova-compute reads the nova.conf by default | 11:21 |
| owalsh | ack. FWIW I can fix the tripleo use case but I'm nervous about more general usage of nova and/or puppet-nova (e.g manual install with rpms/debs or traditional puppet usage) | 11:22 |
| owalsh | and seem to have a contradiction in nova now where it explicitly forbids sharing nova.conf but defaults to sharing nova.conf | 11:23 |
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| gibi | I found where we default nova.conf. It is in oslo.config https://github.com/openstack/oslo.config/blob/68cefad313bd03522e99b3de95f1786ebea45d4b/oslo_config/cfg.py#L281 | 11:33 |
| gibi | nova defines no default config, oslo assigns default files based on the project name and binary name | 11:33 |
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| gibi | owalsh: so I would not be suprised that other openstack modules have the same behavior | 11:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: libvirt: Add support for virtio-based input devices https://review.opendev.org/756552 | 11:36 |
| gibi | owalsh: just out of curiosity how many config files puppet generate for neutron? In devstack I see that neutron promotes sharing the neutron.conf but customize it with extra service specific conf files as well | 11:39 |
| owalsh | gibi: no idea, only really know puppet-nova... | 11:40 |
| gibi | OK, no worries, I was just curious what is the pattern in puppet | 11:40 |
| owalsh | gibi: *_config from https://github.com/openstack/puppet-neutron/tree/master/lib/puppet/provider | 11:41 |
| gibi | owalsh: based on that puppet-neutron follows what devstack does | 11:42 |
| gibi | and generates one neutron.conf and a list of service specific .ini files as config | 11:42 |
| owalsh | gibi: ack but the services read those specific config files I assume | 11:42 |
| gibi | owalsh: I think only if they are passed with --config-file to the binary | 11:43 |
| gibi | I just quickly checked what files neutron-metadata-agent opens without any flag, and it seems it does the same default behavior as nova | 11:44 |
| gibi | so it basically reads only neutron.conf by default | 11:44 |
| gibi | http://paste.openstack.org/show/799911/ | 11:44 |
| gibi | so puppet-neutron not just generates those ini files but also adds them to the binary commandline | 11:45 |
| gibi | so puppet-neutron does not realy on what file neutron binaries reads by default | 11:46 |
| owalsh | gibi: I don't think puppet is adding the conf to the commandline, probably the .deb/.rpm service config | 11:47 |
| gibi | could be | 11:48 |
| owalsh | https://github.com/rdo-packages/neutron-distgit/blob/rpm-master/neutron-metadata-agent.service#L8 | 11:48 |
| gibi | yep, so this rpm config seems to follow what devstack does | 11:49 |
| gibi | compared that to https://github.com/rdo-packages/nova-distgit/blob/rpm-master/openstack-nova-compute.service | 11:49 |
| gibi | I would say the neutron packaging config is better | 11:50 |
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| gibi | at least it is more structured and follow what devstack does | 11:50 |
| gibi | so it is more closer what upstream CI tests | 11:51 |
| owalsh | gibi: yea, but nova.conf has been around a lot longer :-) | 11:51 |
| gibi | sure, I can imagine nova is historically used like that | 11:52 |
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| zigo | gibi: I don't unserstand your question. Do you mean, is it the same nova.conf on both roles? Yeah, it is. | 12:26 |
| zigo | The nova.conf file is stored in the nova-common package, which is a dependency of all nova services. | 12:27 |
| zigo | It must be the same file anyways, because there's the case were we got all-in-one. | 12:27 |
| zigo | Does this answer your question? | 12:27 |
| gibi | zigo: thanks | 12:29 |
| gibi | zigo: yes it does | 12:29 |
| zigo | Oh, I see, it's about https://review.opendev.org/#/c/762176/ | 12:29 |
| zigo | Well, indeed, -1 for me as it would prevent an all-in-one setup. | 12:29 |
| gibi | zigo: yes | 12:29 |
| gibi | zigo: I guess that patch breaks debian then too | 12:29 |
| gibi | in the all-in-one-case | 12:30 |
| gibi | as nova.conf will have a [database]connection config but | 12:30 |
| zigo | It'd be ok if nova-compute was using a different filename, in which case we should just not add the [database] section for nova-compute. | 12:30 |
| gibi | zigo: owalsh figured out the nova-compute binary reads nova.conf by default | 12:31 |
| gibi | so if there is no --config-file added to the binary then it reads the same file as other nova binaries in an all-in-one deployment | 12:31 |
| zigo | Please don't attempt to use /etc/nova/nova-compute.conf, as this is already in use in Debian. | 12:31 |
| zigo | The Debian package already does: | 12:32 |
| zigo | nova-compute --config-file=/etc/nova/nova.conf --config-file=/etc/nova/nova-compute.conf --log-file=/var/log/nova/nova-compute.log | 12:32 |
| zigo | to startup nova-compute. | 12:32 |
| zigo | Though, feel free to make it use something else, like /etc/nova/nova-compute-service.conf, then nova-compute can get rid of reading /etc/nova/nova.conf reading... | 12:33 |
| zigo | (in fact, whatever, I'll adapt the packaging anyways...) | 12:33 |
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| gibi | zigo: thanks for the input | 12:33 |
| gibi | I will try to get oppinions from the rest of the core team before moving forward | 12:34 |
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| sean-k-mooney | zigo: nova-compute should not need to read nova.conf today | 12:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | zigo: what you could do is remove all the db creds form nova.conf and put them in nova-db.conf | 12:44 |
| sean-k-mooney | then put common config in nova.conf | 12:44 |
| sean-k-mooney | and start nova compute with -config-file=/etc/nova/nova.conf --config-file=/etc/nova/nova-compute.conf | 12:44 |
| sean-k-mooney | and nova-api with -config-file=/etc/nova/nova.conf --config-file=/etc/nova/nova-db.conf | 12:44 |
| sean-k-mooney | or similar | 12:44 |
| sean-k-mooney | i really dont think we need to add a new file | 12:45 |
| sean-k-mooney | we could but the expectation was for a very long time that nova.conf is used by the contol plane service only | 12:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Takashi Natsume proposed openstack/nova master: Remove six.binary_type/integer_types/string_types https://review.opendev.org/728094 | 12:46 |
| sean-k-mooney | and nova-compute.conf or similar was used for the compute service which would not read nova.conf | 12:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Takashi Natsume proposed openstack/nova master: Remove six.text_type (1/2) https://review.opendev.org/728109 | 12:46 |
| sean-k-mooney | this was hit in kolla in queens https://github.com/openstack/kolla-ansible/commit/11b9eba2a48b793d00ba04d7ace8f644c2a14f97 and after devstack hit this in rocky | 12:50 |
| sean-k-mooney | zigo: i think the fix for debian is to jsut continue to use the nova-compute.conf and not use nova.conf at all | 12:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova-specs master: WIP - Image and flavor defined ephemeral storage encryption https://review.opendev.org/752284 | 12:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Takashi Natsume proposed openstack/nova master: Update contributor guide for Wallaby https://review.opendev.org/754427 | 12:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Takashi Natsume proposed openstack/nova stable/victoria: Fix a hacking test https://review.opendev.org/758112 | 12:54 |
| sean-k-mooney | zigo: by the way i consider having the db cred in the compute service to be a low severity securtiy issue which is why i have been pushing to get them removed for years | 12:54 |
| sean-k-mooney | its low severity because you have to break out of the guest to get them and if you can get to the config you can get the rabbit creds anyway | 12:56 |
| sean-k-mooney | zigo: just loking at https://salsa.debian.org/openstack-team/services/nova/-/blob/debian/victoria/debian/nova-compute.init.in i dont see nova.conf being included | 13:02 |
| sean-k-mooney | owalsh: by the way we do not need a deprectation cycle for this | 13:03 |
| sean-k-mooney | owalsh: we have not supported having the db cred in the compute agent since grizzly | 13:04 |
| sean-k-mooney | we already had a dprecation cycle for this and it was raised a a relase blocker for our downstrem product for 16.1 | 13:04 |
| owalsh | sean-k-mooney: may have been the intention but that's not what happend in the rpms/debs AFAICT | 13:05 |
| sean-k-mooney | other tools have fixed it | 13:05 |
| owalsh | sean-k-mooney: I can fix tripleo/16.1, it's puppet-nova and rpm installs that I'm concerned about | 13:05 |
| sean-k-mooney | like kolla and devstack | 13:05 |
| tkajinam | what would happen for example in the deployment where they use rpm and some other config management tools ? | 13:06 |
| sean-k-mooney | well that can also be fix by using a nova-compute.conf | 13:06 |
| tkajinam | for example if the deployment has ironic usually nova-compute runs on controller nodes | 13:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Takashi Natsume proposed openstack/nova master: Remove six.text_type (2/2) https://review.opendev.org/728117 | 13:06 |
| sean-k-mooney | tkajinam: you use a spereate file that is all that is required | 13:06 |
| owalsh | sean-k-mooney: the rpm systemd unit does not use a separate file | 13:06 |
| sean-k-mooney | right that is a bug | 13:06 |
| sean-k-mooney | and to be clear i first raised this as a potential security issues a few years ago | 13:07 |
| sean-k-mooney | when i was still at intel | 13:07 |
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| sean-k-mooney | we had direct question form some telco partners we were workign with wanting to know if nova compute agtully need direct db access | 13:08 |
| sean-k-mooney | we told them no it just need rabbmq because all db acces form the comptue is mideiated vai the conductor | 13:08 |
| sean-k-mooney | the local conductor support was deprecated in 2015 https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/releasenotes/notes/deprecate-local-conductor-9cb9f45728281eb0.yaml | 13:10 |
| tkajinam | I understood that nova-compute doesn't need db access now, so these settings are indeed unnecessary and unnecessarily causing a security risk | 13:10 |
| sean-k-mooney | tkajinam: it has not needed it for 10 release | 13:11 |
| sean-k-mooney | tkajinam: all that is changing now is a condtional check for service version that happend when the rpc version was auto | 13:11 |
| sean-k-mooney | is not done always | 13:11 |
| sean-k-mooney | that check breaks if the db creds are in the config | 13:12 |
| sean-k-mooney | we have patchs to work around it but we do not want to misslead people by allowing them to store db cred that will never be used in teh compute agent config | 13:12 |
| tkajinam | yeah I see | 13:12 |
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| sean-k-mooney | if you had the rpc upgrade level set to auto you have not been able to have the api db creds in the db since i think rocky when cells v2 was added | 13:13 |
| tkajinam | I do agree that we should go forward to remove unnecessary db creds, but at the same time we need some migration period so that we can prepare expected config structure | 13:13 |
| tkajinam | at lease we need some changes in packaging (for default config files) and puppet-nova at least | 13:14 |
| owalsh | and docs I expect | 13:14 |
| owalsh | sean-k-mooney: can we use something other than CONF.api_database_connection to determine the cell scope? | 13:15 |
| sean-k-mooney | not really | 13:15 |
| sean-k-mooney | we could but i dont think we should | 13:15 |
| sean-k-mooney | from a donwstream point of view we shoudl be fixing this in osp 13 as well | 13:16 |
| sean-k-mooney | certenly in 16.1/16.2 | 13:16 |
| owalsh | sean-k-mooney: yea, not concerned about this in tripleo, it's the other use cases | 13:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | we had agreed not to block this in stable by the way | 13:17 |
| tkajinam | my concern here would be that this is now breaking puppet jobs because we need new config file structure to start nova services in a single node | 13:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | we are only going to make it a hard error on master/wallabyt | 13:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | so packages have all of wallaby to update | 13:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | we are going to backprot the patch below it which logs a warning to stable | 13:18 |
| tkajinam | you mean that you will add some fall back mechanism ? | 13:20 |
| sean-k-mooney | tkajinam: we could potentially delay merging the blocker patch a few week to give puppet-nova some time to update it be i think we should still merge it this cycle without a deprecation notice since it has not been supprot for a very long time but we can add an upgrade warning | 13:20 |
| sean-k-mooney | its already proposed | 13:20 |
| sean-k-mooney | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/762175/1/nova/utils.py | 13:20 |
| sean-k-mooney | the bottom ptach catches the db not allowed excption and converts it to a warning. then does the local cell lookup | 13:21 |
| tkajinam | from puppet perspective we need to know how distros change their default file structure | 13:21 |
| sean-k-mooney | owalsh: tkajinam | 13:21 |
| tkajinam | sean-k-mooney, yeah. that's what I exactly expected | 13:21 |
| sean-k-mooney | right so that is goign to be backported to stable | 13:22 |
| owalsh | sean-k-mooney: ack | 13:22 |
| sean-k-mooney | ast patch will only be on master | 13:22 |
| sean-k-mooney | * the last | 13:22 |
| owalsh | sean-k-mooney: hard fail can't merge till rpms/debs/puppet are updated | 13:22 |
| sean-k-mooney | well on the deb front its not using nova.conf | 13:23 |
| sean-k-mooney | https://salsa.debian.org/openstack-team/services/nova/-/blob/debian/victoria/debian/nova-compute.init.in | 13:23 |
| sean-k-mooney | the only deamon arge is nova-compute.conf | 13:23 |
| sean-k-mooney | we wont use nova.conf if that is passed | 13:23 |
| owalsh | but does it exists? | 13:23 |
| tkajinam | what happens if /etc/nova/nova-compute.conf does not exist ? | 13:23 |
| sean-k-mooney | it would only fall backk to nova.conf if its not there | 13:23 |
| tkajinam | I guess nova picks up /etc/nova/nova.conf by default | 13:24 |
| sean-k-mooney | so by default it will use policy in code, then nova.conf if nova-compute.conf is not there | 13:24 |
| sean-k-mooney | * default in code not policy | 13:24 |
| tkajinam | the question here would be whether nova-compute.conf is created by default when we install nova-compute package. | 13:25 |
| tkajinam | sean-k-mooney, yeah I remember there is a logic to search some files... | 13:25 |
| sean-k-mooney | not search | 13:25 |
| tkajinam | oops, sorry | 13:25 |
| sean-k-mooney | nova will use nova.conf if its in /etc/nova/ | 13:25 |
| sean-k-mooney | if you pass a config file it only looks at that | 13:26 |
| sean-k-mooney | so there is a default file location that we check otherwise you have to say where it is | 13:26 |
| tkajinam | by --config-file option in the command line | 13:26 |
| sean-k-mooney | yep | 13:27 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: the default file search algo is in oslo.config https://github.com/openstack/oslo.config/blob/68cefad313bd03522e99b3de95f1786ebea45d4b/oslo_config/cfg.py#L281 | 13:27 |
| sean-k-mooney | oh | 13:27 |
| sean-k-mooney | so https://github.com/openstack/oslo.config/blob/68cefad313bd03522e99b3de95f1786ebea45d4b/oslo_config/cfg.py#L293-L298 | 13:27 |
| sean-k-mooney | ok so it check a cople of other location byu default | 13:28 |
| sean-k-mooney | for the nova.conf | 13:28 |
| tkajinam | ahh yeah | 13:28 |
| tkajinam | that's what I used to check | 13:28 |
| sean-k-mooney | so i think the path forward is to merge and backport the first 2 patch and send a mail to the list that we intend to merge the last one but delay it till say m1 or m2 | 13:29 |
| sean-k-mooney | to give packagers and installers time to catch up on there grizzly homework | 13:30 |
| gibi | I can summarize this to an ML post | 13:30 |
| tkajinam | lol, but indeed > grizzly homework | 13:30 |
| tkajinam | once packaging team publishes the change for that then I'll update puppet-nova . | 13:32 |
| tkajinam | but I'm a bit concerned with some feedback about this hard requirement since it can affect some existing deployments. | 13:32 |
| sean-k-mooney | it should only affect them on upgrade though | 13:33 |
| tkajinam | agreed | 13:33 |
| sean-k-mooney | if they are using an installer i dont think most will see it | 13:33 |
| sean-k-mooney | kolla has fixed this since queens | 13:34 |
| sean-k-mooney | we can fix ooo im not sure what osc does | 13:34 |
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| sean-k-mooney | * osa not osc | 13:34 |
| sean-k-mooney | so osa and charms would be the two other major installer to update | 13:35 |
| tkajinam | I think it depends on the architecture they support | 13:35 |
| tkajinam | if they support collocation of nova-api and nova-compute then they should create a separated file | 13:35 |
| sean-k-mooney | well not really in that you jsut need a different config | 13:35 |
| sean-k-mooney | yep | 13:35 |
| sean-k-mooney | most contaierised installer shoudl be creating a seperate file per contaienr already | 13:36 |
| sean-k-mooney | so in those cases it can continue to be called nova.conf if they like | 13:36 |
| sean-k-mooney | the best pratcie for such installs is to allway bind mount in your config externally or via something like a k8s config map | 13:37 |
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| sean-k-mooney | so this is the problematic line in the current deb files https://salsa.debian.org/openstack-team/services/nova/-/blob/debian/victoria/debian/nova-common.postinst.in#L189 | 13:44 |
| tkajinam | gibi, thx. would be nice if we can have some discussions triggered by that | 13:45 |
| sean-k-mooney | and https://salsa.debian.org/openstack-team/services/nova/-/blob/debian/victoria/debian/nova-common.postinst.in#L220-225 | 13:45 |
| sean-k-mooney | although that will not run on install jsut configure and reconfigure | 13:46 |
| sean-k-mooney | anyway i better go do something else for a while | 13:47 |
| tkajinam | that looks like a step needed only in controller nodes | 13:47 |
| tkajinam | but I'm not so familiar with debian stuffs that I can say some options here :-P | 13:48 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya same personally i really dislike both deb and rpm way of sepcifying things. im vaugly familar with both but find both equally off putting to learn more about them | 13:49 |
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| gibi | stephenfin: what is the way to shelve offload a server via openstack client? (now I force myself to always use osc) | 14:07 |
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| stephenfin | gibi: oh, that's a gap | 14:24 |
| stephenfin | you've got shelve but not offload | 14:24 |
| stephenfin | I'll add it :-) | 14:24 |
| gibi | at least I did not find it | 14:24 |
| gibi | stephenfin: thanks! | 14:24 |
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| stephenfin | gibi: Does 'openstack server offload' make sense, or should I go with 'openstack server shelve offload' like novaclient? | 14:30 |
| stephenfin | I think the latter is a bit confusing because it suggests it both shelves and offloads, as opposed to offloading an already shelved instance | 14:30 |
| stephenfin | However, maybe the former is missing context too? | 14:30 |
| gibi | hm | 14:31 |
| gibi | it is similar to openstack server resize confirm | 14:31 |
| gibi | so I would go with opentack server shelve offload | 14:32 |
| stephenfin | that's a good point | 14:32 |
| stephenfin | server shelve offload it is | 14:32 |
| gibi | :) | 14:32 |
| dansmith | gibi: I haven't fully caught up, but I do _not_ want to have multiple configs for different services | 14:34 |
| * stephenfin just realized, if you have a server called 'confirm' or 'revert' you wouldn't be able to migrate it | 14:34 | |
| dansmith | gibi: glance has multiple configs for different reasons and it's a nightmare, IMHO | 14:34 |
| stephenfin | I really wish we could use hyphens. 'server-resize confirm' makes way more sense to me | 14:34 |
| gibi | dansmith: I would also not make a different config just to support all-in-one deployments | 14:35 |
| gibi | stephenfin: we have openstack server resize --confirm but that is deprecated in favor of server resize confirm | 14:35 |
| dansmith | gibi: definitely | 14:36 |
| dansmith | gibi: if packages or deployment tools want to make something natively work if everything is on the same machine, separating things into config files and passing them on the command line is fine and well within their scope | 14:37 |
| stephenfin | gibi: That was me. It makes more sense, IMO. The entire behavior of the command shouldn't change because of a boolean flag | 14:37 |
| stephenfin | Like 'server show --diagnostics' :-( | 14:37 |
| owalsh | dansmith: that's the plan IIUC | 14:37 |
| dansmith | cool | 14:37 |
| dansmith | now I can get coffee. | 14:37 |
| owalsh | dansmith: but can't fail hard in nova-compute till that's done | 14:37 |
| gibi | dansmith: so we might need to delay merging https://review.opendev.org/#/c/762176/ as it would break more than one deployment engine. As it seems debian also uses a shared nova.conf in the all-in-one-case | 14:38 |
| gibi | stephenfin: I don't say that we should bring back --confirm | 14:39 |
| stephenfin | oh, I know. I'm just explaining my rationale for that change | 14:39 |
| stephenfin | i.e. don't hate me for it :-) | 14:40 |
| gibi | stephenfin: is there a generic problem with this positional argment place used as subcommand name in general | 14:40 |
| gibi | in osc? | 14:40 |
| dansmith | gibi: okay, I'll throw my support on there for it and let you move it forward when appropriate | 14:40 |
| gibi | dansmith: ack. I will summarize the whole thing in an ML post | 14:40 |
| gibi | just to get more attention from the deployer engines | 14:41 |
| stephenfin | gibi: Not really. I mean, if someone hit this corner case I think they could escape the positional arguments | 14:41 |
| stephenfin | e.g. 'openstack server resize -- confirm' | 14:41 |
| stephenfin | (not tested though) | 14:41 |
| stephenfin | I'm sure someone will report the issue if it's really a big deal :-) | 14:41 |
| gibi | stephenfin: $ openstack server resize --flavor d1 confirm | 14:44 |
| gibi | seems to work | 14:44 |
| gibi | where confirm is the name of the server | 14:44 |
| stephenfin | that wouldn't work for server migrate though, I presume? | 14:44 |
| stephenfin | Though i really should have called that 'server migration confirm' | 14:44 |
| gibi | lets see | 14:44 |
| stephenfin | In fact, I might yet do that | 14:45 |
| gibi | $ openstack server resize confirm confirm | 14:45 |
| gibi | works :D | 14:45 |
| dansmith | please don't do that :) | 14:45 |
| gibi | also you can do the trick | 14:45 |
| stephenfin | openstack server create ... --wait confirm; openstack server resize confirm; # this won't though | 14:45 |
| gibi | $ openstack server migrate --wait confirm | 14:45 |
| stephenfin | ah, so you can | 14:46 |
| gibi | you need a flag first then the server name :D | 14:46 |
| stephenfin | Who's going to call their server 'confirm' anyway | 14:46 |
| gibi | yeah | 14:46 |
| gibi | famous last words :D | 14:47 |
| stephenfin | while we're bikeshedding, 'server resize confirm' and 'server shelve offload' aren't really the same thing. We're confirming a "server resize" (or "server migration") which is a resource in its own right (you can list them). However there's no such thing as a "server shelve". It's a shelved server | 14:48 |
| stephenfin | what about 'server shelve --offload', that will shelve and optionally offload? | 14:49 |
| gibi | then you can add openstack server shelve-offload <server> | 14:49 |
| stephenfin | we could check if the server was already shelved and only offload then | 14:49 |
| stephenfin | I can't - hyphens aren't supported without special cliff config | 14:49 |
| stephenfin | which is a couple of hundred lines of a patch /o\ | 14:49 |
| gibi | I'm fine with --offload | 14:50 |
| stephenfin | (the config means use the entrypoint name as-is, meaning you need to remove all the underscores from the command entrypoints) | 14:50 |
| stephenfin | sweet | 14:50 |
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| gibi | I think we are overcomplicating this | 14:50 |
| gibi | but that is how we roll :) | 14:51 |
| stephenfin | overengineering ftw | 14:51 |
| gibi | we are paid to engineer so why not do it fully :D | 14:52 |
| gibi | thinking more about poor VMs called 'confirm' or 'revert' I remembered https://xkcd.com/327/ so at least I'm happy now | 14:53 |
| stephenfin | touché | 14:53 |
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| sean-k-mooney | stephenfin: shelve offload is done automatically | 15:02 |
| sean-k-mooney | its not a api action | 15:02 |
| gibi | it is | 15:02 |
| stephenfin | it is | 15:02 |
| stephenfin | jinx | 15:02 |
| sean-k-mooney | to froce it | 15:02 |
| sean-k-mooney | ? | 15:02 |
| stephenfin | it's a host-level config | 15:02 |
| stephenfin | shelved_offload_time | 15:02 |
| sean-k-mooney | the offload time ya | 15:02 |
| sean-k-mooney | it defautl to auto offloading | 15:02 |
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| sean-k-mooney | i guess we can set it to -1? | 15:03 |
| stephenfin | you can, yes | 15:03 |
| sean-k-mooney | or somethign to disable it | 15:03 |
| sean-k-mooney | ok | 15:03 |
| stephenfin | "Any value < 0: An instance will never offload." | 15:03 |
| sean-k-mooney | that kind of feels like a bug | 15:03 |
| sean-k-mooney | its not discoverable via the api | 15:03 |
| sean-k-mooney | and it changes the workflow | 15:03 |
| sean-k-mooney | normally peopel just shelve | 15:03 |
| sean-k-mooney | and never have to assk for it to be offloaded | 15:04 |
| sean-k-mooney | as that is the default behavior | 15:04 |
| sean-k-mooney | so its chageign the meaning of shelve | 15:04 |
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| stephenfin | that's a fair point | 15:05 |
| stephenfin | with that said, it's been this way since forever | 15:05 |
| sean-k-mooney | would peopel be open to dissalowing values less then 0 | 15:06 |
| sean-k-mooney | shelve-offload is admin only https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/policies/shelve.py#L47-L58 | 15:07 |
| sean-k-mooney | shelve is allowed for tenants | 15:07 |
| stephenfin | I have no thoughts either way on this | 15:07 |
| sean-k-mooney | shelve unoffloaded is basicaly a more expensive power off and kind fo defets the reason for having shelve | 15:08 |
| sean-k-mooney | which is to free the resouce on the host so other instance can use it | 15:08 |
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| gibi | there could be a long shelve_offload_time configure but the admin still want to get all the VMs that are shelve to be offloaded e.g. not migration shelve VMs due to host maintenance | 15:08 |
| sean-k-mooney | gibi: a long time is fine | 15:09 |
| * gibi lost the capability to write properly | 15:09 | |
| sean-k-mooney | its the fact the workflow never actully gets to shelve offloaded if its -1 is the problem | 15:09 |
| sean-k-mooney | you could not relay on that in heat for example currently | 15:09 |
| sean-k-mooney | since heat wont be able to call shelve-offload by default and cant know what the config option is set too | 15:10 |
| gibi | is there a different between an arbitrary big int and infinite? | 15:10 |
| sean-k-mooney | practilly i guess not but making it admin only seams problematic | 15:10 |
| gibi | or vice versa, do you have a meaningful upper limit for the timer | 15:10 |
| gibi | yeah, I can be convinced that offload need to have the same policy default than shelve | 15:11 |
| sean-k-mooney | honestly anthign over a hour or a day feels like its not working as intended | 15:11 |
| sean-k-mooney | if they have the same policy default i dont really mind as much | 15:11 |
| sean-k-mooney | espcially if we added "openstack server shelve --offload" | 15:12 |
| gibi | I thing stephenfin is working on this ^^ | 15:12 |
| sean-k-mooney | so that it woudl do both if it was active or just offload if its shelved | 15:13 |
| gibi | so at least half of it is in the works | 15:13 |
| stephenfin | sean-k-mooney: yes, exactly | 15:13 |
| sean-k-mooney | well i dont think you shoudl have to do two actions | 15:13 |
| sean-k-mooney | when you do shelve the expectation is it evenutally end up in offloaded | 15:13 |
| stephenfin | I'll admit, that confused me. I thought the shelveOffload action would both shelve and offload, but it only does the latter | 15:13 |
| stephenfin | I can mask that in the CLI | 15:14 |
| stephenfin | though | 15:14 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya you would have to do it in the cli | 15:14 |
| sean-k-mooney | but i think tis come down to the default behavior of shleve which is to offload imedietly | 15:14 |
| dansmith | the default is not to offload immediately, | 15:15 |
| dansmith | unless the timer is zero right/ | 15:15 |
| sean-k-mooney | yes we default to 0 i think | 15:15 |
| dansmith | oh, really? I surely didn't think so | 15:15 |
| dansmith | yep, you're right | 15:16 |
| sean-k-mooney | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/conf/compute.py#L1134-L1155 | 15:16 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya so i have never done shelve-offload before but i use shelve semi frequently | 15:16 |
| sean-k-mooney | and i have always expected it to go to shelve offloaded | 15:17 |
| dansmith | offload timer of zero makes it behave more like aws' stop I think | 15:17 |
| stephenfin | can anyone give me a one line summary of what shelve does vs. shutdown? | 15:17 |
| dansmith | which maybe is why the default is there | 15:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | dansmith: yep | 15:17 |
| dansmith | stephenfin: snapshots the instance and re-schedule/deploys when you unshelve | 15:17 |
| stephenfin | I mostly know but can't come up with something succinct | 15:17 |
| stephenfin | dansmith++ ta | 15:17 |
| dansmith | stephenfin: but only if it was offloaded, so you can't say it always does that | 15:18 |
| sean-k-mooney | stephenfin: then shelve offload deletes it form the host and frees the calimed resources after shelve | 15:18 |
| dansmith | although the client shouldn't really care whether it does or not | 15:18 |
| sean-k-mooney | dansmith: do we defer the snapshot to offload | 15:18 |
| dansmith | stephenfin: it was added as a way to keep your uuid and ip, but charge you less while the instance was "off" since it wasn't using memory and disk on the compute | 15:18 |
| sean-k-mooney | i guess that makes sesne i though it was in the shelve step though | 15:19 |
| sean-k-mooney | its been a while | 15:19 |
| dansmith | sean-k-mooney: pretty sure we snap immediately, so that the offload can be independent and fast when it happens | 15:19 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya so basically form a resouce point of view shelved is like powered off + a snapshot | 15:20 |
| sean-k-mooney | so its more expensive since you are also being changed for the snapshot vs poweroff | 15:20 |
| dansmith | no, | 15:20 |
| dansmith | it's more expensive than a snapshot, | 15:20 |
| sean-k-mooney | but shelve-offloded is much cheaper | 15:20 |
| dansmith | not more expensive than a poweroff | 15:20 |
| dansmith | well, depends I think | 15:20 |
| dansmith | I think RAX would charge you less once you're in the shelved state, | 15:20 |
| dansmith | because they could reclaim your resources at any point, so it didn't really matter and thus wasn't costing you more | 15:21 |
| dansmith | if anything, the not-yet-offloaded state saved *them* resources having to redeploy your snapshot if you unshelved quickly | 15:21 |
| sean-k-mooney | well tehy are only allowed to reclaim the resouce once it hits offloaded right | 15:21 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya | 15:21 |
| sean-k-mooney | that is why its there | 15:21 |
| sean-k-mooney | the quick resume | 15:21 |
| dansmith | the compute only gets the resources back on offload, but once you're shelved they could do that whenever they want, | 15:22 |
| dansmith | so it's basically cache at that point | 15:22 |
| dansmith | the client doesn't know when (or if ever) the offload will happen, so charging them more for some indeterminite period of time, and then cutting them down to cheaper on offload doesn't make any sense | 15:22 |
| sean-k-mooney | i guess that makes some sense | 15:23 |
| sean-k-mooney | it proably depend on the provider but i can see reducing at shelve too instead of shelve offloaded | 15:23 |
| sean-k-mooney | anywya i think this is jsut an interop issue with the api | 15:24 |
| sean-k-mooney | you cant really know what will happen when you call shelve i guess | 15:24 |
| dansmith | that, and.. the only reason a user calls shelve is to save money | 15:25 |
| dansmith | they have no idea when their resources will actually be freed, | 15:25 |
| dansmith | they just know that they're saying "I'm telling you I won't need this for a while in exchange for some money back" | 15:25 |
| dansmith | whether anything really happens immediately or later is not really their concern, | 15:25 |
| dansmith | and they're not going to shelve it in order to pay more now, in hopes that they'll be charged less later when offload happens | 15:26 |
| dansmith | it's not an investment :) | 15:26 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya i guess when i use it locall its so i can back dev vms for feature x but i want to make capastiy for me to reuse | 15:26 |
| dansmith | right, because you're on both sides of the curtain | 15:26 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya | 15:27 |
| sean-k-mooney | i guess its fine as it is | 15:28 |
| sean-k-mooney | if i reset my expectation that the end state of shelve is one of (shelved, shelve_offloaded, error) | 15:28 |
| sean-k-mooney | alot of our func test assume shleve_offloaded although that is fine since we can set teh config value if it matters in that test | 15:29 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: a tangential question. Does nova support ports without IP allocation? I see https://review.opendev.org/#/c/669411 never merged, but I'm not sure we did other things to support it | 15:30 |
| gibi | and I tried creating a neutron port with --no-fixed-ip | 15:30 |
| sean-k-mooney | gibi: no | 15:30 |
| sean-k-mooney | as far as i am aware we never enabled it | 15:30 |
| gibi | yeah, I see Port 6370c969-73ca-41df-8c15-d91f10d44a59 requires a FixedIP in order to be used. (HTTP 400) with --no-fixed-ip ports | 15:31 |
| sean-k-mooney | some of the concerns is that security groups and some qos policies may now work correctly | 15:31 |
| sean-k-mooney | also the metadata api woudl not work | 15:32 |
| sean-k-mooney | for l3 only backend like callico you also would have no network connectivty as you cant fall back to l2 in that case | 15:33 |
| gibi | so I guess this cannot be added to nova generally, we have to somehow special case it if we need it | 15:33 |
| sean-k-mooney | we now have the connectivity in the port | 15:34 |
| sean-k-mooney | it will be either legacy l2 or l3 i belive | 15:34 |
| sean-k-mooney | so we could allow it for l2 ports and maybe legacy | 15:34 |
| sean-k-mooney | legacy was for backend that did not say | 15:34 |
| sean-k-mooney | but your milage would vary | 15:34 |
| gibi | thanks | 15:34 |
| sean-k-mooney | actully rodolfos patch already has that https://review.opendev.org/#/c/669411/1/nova/network/neutronv2/api.py | 15:35 |
| gibi | so that handles the l3 only backend case, what can we do with secgroups? | 15:36 |
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| sean-k-mooney | am well secgroups almost always deals with l3+ | 15:37 |
| sean-k-mooney | so if you have no ip then you can only use the ethertype rule | 15:37 |
| sean-k-mooney | neutron will still do mac spoofing protection | 15:37 |
| sean-k-mooney | i dont think we need to care about that | 15:37 |
| sean-k-mooney | well we can care we just dont need to do anything | 15:37 |
| gibi | OK, so we could repropos rodolfo's patch if we want | 15:38 |
| sean-k-mooney | yep i have no issue with doing that | 15:38 |
| sean-k-mooney | ie proceedign with it | 15:38 |
| sean-k-mooney | he already did the neutron feature | 15:38 |
| sean-k-mooney | which is what it was waiting on really | 15:38 |
| sean-k-mooney | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/645645/ | 15:39 |
| sean-k-mooney | now that ovn is in tree we might want to make sure that reporst the attibute as l2 but other then that i dont see a blocker here | 15:39 |
| sean-k-mooney | i think its kind of expected that if you have an adressless port that you cant use things like floating ips which neutron should block for us | 15:41 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: thanks. I might repropose that at some point as it seem there is downstream need for it | 15:41 |
| sean-k-mooney | we had a downstream request too at one point but it was obviously not a high priorit since its still pending | 15:41 |
| sean-k-mooney | ovn is also updated fyi https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/plugins/ml2/drivers/ovn/mech_driver/mech_driver.py#L171 | 15:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | so it looks like everything is in place on the neutron side | 15:43 |
| gibi | coolio | 15:43 |
| gibi | I still not get the priority info hence the conditional from my side too | 15:43 |
| gibi | let see | 15:43 |
| zigo | sean-k-mooney: It IS included, it's just done in openstack-pkg-tools automatically. | 15:44 |
| zigo | Also, nova-compute.conf only contains a few hypervisor specifics for switching virtualization depending on which nova-compute-FOO you install. | 15:45 |
| zigo | ie: nova-compute-qemu will install qemu as virt driver, nova-compute-kvm will do kvm, etc. | 15:45 |
| zigo | But everything else is in nova.conf ... | 15:45 |
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| sean-k-mooney | zigo: ya i saw they were minimal | 15:52 |
| sean-k-mooney | so ideally you would do one of two things move the db and api db config into there own files | 15:52 |
| sean-k-mooney | or move all compute node relevent options into the compute one | 15:53 |
| sean-k-mooney | zigo: as they currently are you cannot use the auto rpc version since rocky | 15:55 |
| sean-k-mooney | i.e. this https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/conf/upgrade_levels.py#L56-L57 | 15:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: Improve error handling during service level check https://review.opendev.org/762175 | 21:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: Update contributor guide for Wallaby https://review.opendev.org/754427 | 22:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam Mann proposed openstack/nova master: Migrate nova-grenade-multinode job to zuulv3 native https://review.opendev.org/742056 | 23:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam Mann proposed openstack/nova master: Add functional-py39 testing https://review.opendev.org/760884 | 23:34 |
| gmann | stephenfin: ^^ need to re-approve this. I rebased it to resolve merge conflict. | 23:36 |
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