| ttx | o/ | 15:00 |
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| genekuo | o/ | 15:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting large_scale_sig | 15:01 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Wed Sep 1 15:01:17 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'large_scale_sig' | 15:01 |
| ttx | #topic Rollcall | 15:01 |
| ttx | Who is here for the Large Scale SIG meeting? | 15:01 |
| rbudden | hello | 15:01 |
| ttx | genekuo: hi! | 15:01 |
| belmoreira | o/ | 15:01 |
| genekuo | hi | 15:01 |
| ttx | rbudden, belmoreira hi! | 15:01 |
| ttx | amorin maybe? | 15:01 |
| belmoreira | hi | 15:01 |
| ttx | mdelavergne too | 15:02 |
| ttx | Is everyone back from vacation? | 15:02 |
| belmoreira | good to be back | 15:03 |
| genekuo | not exactly from vacation, I was busy preparing to fly back to Japan and miss the notification for last meeting | 15:03 |
| ttx | alright, looks like, that's everyone for today | 15:03 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today is at: | 15:03 |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/large-scale-sig-meeting | 15:03 |
| ttx | #topic Next OpenInfraLive session | 15:03 |
| ttx | Last week we had a good session on software-defined supercomputers, thanks to oneswig for leading that | 15:04 |
| ttx | It was a bit of a different spin than usual, but great to include new users | 15:04 |
| ttx | Our next open slot for an episode is just before the PTG, on Oct 14, 2021 | 15:04 |
| ttx | sp 6 weeks from now | 15:04 |
| ttx | Are you all available on that date? | 15:04 |
| ttx | If that's not working we could push back to Oct 28 | 15:05 |
| genekuo | Currently free on Oct 14 for me | 15:05 |
| belmoreira | 14 works for me | 15:05 |
| ttx | OK then mark your calendars now! 14 it is | 15:05 |
| ttx | We have quite a bit of time to organize, but I'd like to decide on the topic early | 15:05 |
| ttx | We had two topics in the pipeline: Inception and Monitoring | 15:06 |
| ttx | Any preference? | 15:06 |
| ttx | Inception being: running openstack control plane on itself | 15:07 |
| genekuo | From my side, I can find speaker (or me) to do both, so I don't have specific preference | 15:07 |
| ttx | Monitoring being a bit more of a general question (how do you solve monitoring) | 15:07 |
| ttx | I think for Monitoring it will be slightly easier to find participants | 15:08 |
| ttx | since very few do Inception | 15:08 |
| ttx | belmoreira: any preference? | 15:08 |
| belmoreira | how about we change the inception to "OpenStack architecture in your deployment" | 15:08 |
| ttx | hmm, what do you mean exactly | 15:09 |
| ttx | Topic tbd | 15:09 |
| ttx | err.. wrong channel | 15:09 |
| genekuo | I think belmoreira is suggesting a more general topic | 15:09 |
| belmoreira | inception is just a way to setup openstack (pros,cons) | 15:10 |
| genekuo | Instead of focusing on inception, there may be different deployment architecture in large scale deployment | 15:10 |
| belmoreira | but we can leave space for all the other user stories | 15:10 |
| ttx | ah ok, yes | 15:10 |
| belmoreira | containers, disk less setup, ... | 15:10 |
| ttx | like "How Large Scale deployments are architected" | 15:11 |
| ttx | and have a bunch of examples | 15:11 |
| belmoreira | yeah, something like that | 15:11 |
| ttx | With guests willing to show and tell | 15:11 |
| belmoreira | inception is just one particular case | 15:12 |
| ttx | Maybe focusing on the larger users for this one | 15:12 |
| belmoreira | maybe something like the upgrades sessions, but now going deep into the architecture | 15:12 |
| ttx | belmoreira, genekuo: I assume you both would be able to present? | 15:12 |
| belmoreira | I'm interested in present | 15:13 |
| ttx | rbudden: not sure your deployment would fit that discussion, but let me know | 15:13 |
| genekuo | I will be available, or at least my teammate will | 15:13 |
| ttx | OK, I'll build up something around that theme and start looking around for guests | 15:14 |
| ttx | Will keep y'all posted at next meeting | 15:14 |
| genekuo | :) | 15:14 |
| ttx | #agreed theme for next episode: "OpenStack architecture in large scale deployments" | 15:15 |
| ttx | #info CERn and LINE available to present | 15:15 |
| ttx | alright, any question on that topic? | 15:16 |
| rbudden | Our deployment is somewhat large. I work with Jonathan Mills on the NASA OpenStack clouds. | 15:16 |
| rbudden | I don’t have exact specs in front of me, but we’re in the neighborhood of 3500-4000 cores | 15:16 |
| ttx | rbudden: yes, I remember. If that is a topic you would be interested in presenting on, let me know | 15:16 |
| rbudden | sure, if it’s helpful | 15:17 |
| rbudden | we basically role our own deployment | 15:17 |
| rbudden | it’s in-house Ansible CM | 15:17 |
| ttx | yeah ideally we'd have a mix of approaches | 15:17 |
| ttx | #info rbudden could present for NASA, using in-house Ansible CM | 15:18 |
| ttx | alright moving on | 15:19 |
| ttx | #topic Large Scale Journey updates | 15:20 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Large_Scale_SIG | 15:20 |
| ttx | Was there any recent progress made on documenting the Large Scale Journey? | 15:20 |
| belmoreira | no updates from me | 15:20 |
| ttx | It feels like this has taken a backseat as we focused on OpenInfra.Live episodes... | 15:20 |
| ttx | (which I think are more immediately visible and valuable) | 15:20 |
| genekuo | I was busy with OpenInfra Days Asia recently | 15:21 |
| genekuo | have a talk about oslo.metrics there | 15:21 |
| genekuo | For the code part I'm working on functional tests | 15:21 |
| ttx | I think we should still aim at gradually improving that doc, but that can be done over the long run | 15:21 |
| ttx | CCreating spaces for discussions around Large Scale is imho more valuable | 15:22 |
| belmoreira | +1 | 15:22 |
| ttx | genekuo: noted | 15:22 |
| ttx | #topic Next meeting | 15:22 |
| ttx | Our next scheduled IRC meeting will be Sept 15. | 15:22 |
| ttx | #info next IRC meeting on Sept 15 | 15:22 |
| ttx | I'll have more details on the upcoming episode by then, started fishing for extra speakers etc | 15:23 |
| ttx | genekuo: how is your deployment architected? You don't do Inception or Ansible iirc | 15:23 |
| genekuo | We do both inception and ansible | 15:24 |
| belmoreira | humm | 15:24 |
| genekuo | our control plane run on top of k8s on top of our openstack | 15:24 |
| genekuo | while we uses ansible to deploy the manifests | 15:24 |
| belmoreira | I was not thinking how sites deploy the infrastructure (puppet, ansible, chef?, ...) | 15:25 |
| ttx | ok, so that would be another combination | 15:25 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 15:25 |
| belmoreira | but more about the architecture and why | 15:25 |
| ttx | belmoreira: there is a link between the two, but I think I see where you;re going | 15:26 |
| belmoreira | why they cluster rabbit or not? number of nova APIs? are they in physical nodes? why? | 15:26 |
| belmoreira | my thinking was more in these lines | 15:26 |
| ttx | belmoreira: maybe you could write a short paragraph describing the types of questions you'd like answered? That would help me in my speaker outreach | 15:27 |
| genekuo | I could understand the direction belmoreira would like the talk to be | 15:27 |
| belmoreira | let me know if it makes sense to you | 15:28 |
| ttx | belmoreira: you'd still mention the inception aspect, which is a bit of a deployment thing | 15:28 |
| ttx | I guess that's where I'm confused, the area between the two | 15:29 |
| genekuo | There is some connection IMO | 15:29 |
| belmoreira | in my view inception is a strong architecture decision, not related with the deployment tool (puppet in our case) | 15:29 |
| genekuo | but belmoreira would like to focus on why | 15:29 |
| genekuo | for example why we uses ansible to deploy manifest to k8s | 15:29 |
| genekuo | why we choose to do inception | 15:29 |
| genekuo | not sure if i understand correctly | 15:30 |
| ttx | belmoreira: could you write something up that would describe what's on topic for that episode? That would be helpful to me as I do the initial outreach | 15:31 |
| ttx | we could reuse it as the episode description | 15:31 |
| belmoreira | ttx ok, let me try to do it | 15:31 |
| genekuo | thank you | 15:32 |
| ttx | thanks! | 15:32 |
| ttx | #action belmoreira to draft the episode description | 15:32 |
| ttx | Anything else, anyone? | 15:32 |
| ttx | rbudden: anything you wanted to discuss? | 15:33 |
| genekuo | nothing from my side | 15:33 |
| rbudden | nothing offhand | 15:33 |
| ttx | we have low attendance today because not everyone is back from vacation. Hopefully we'll have more in two weeks | 15:33 |
| rbudden | i’d be interesting in picking ppl’s brains on rabbitmq setup/tradeoffs sometime | 15:33 |
| rbudden | but no need for that now | 15:33 |
| ttx | rbudden: did you see our video meeting on RabbitMQ scaling? | 15:34 |
| rbudden | yes, I caught part of that and need to review it | 15:34 |
| rbudden | I know there were some write ups being worked on as well | 15:35 |
| ttx | ok then if nothing else for today, let's end early | 15:35 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone! | 15:35 |
| genekuo | thanks all! :) | 15:35 |
| mdelavergne | Thanks! | 15:35 |
| rbudden | thanks! | 15:35 |
| ttx | mdelavergne: lurking I see | 15:36 |
| belmoreira | thanks | 15:36 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 15:36 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Wed Sep 1 15:36:23 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:36 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/large_scale_sig/2021/large_scale_sig.2021-09-01-15.01.html | 15:36 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/large_scale_sig/2021/large_scale_sig.2021-09-01-15.01.txt | 15:36 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/large_scale_sig/2021/large_scale_sig.2021-09-01-15.01.log.html | 15:36 |
| mdelavergne | sorry, I was late, didn't want to disturb the discussion :) | 15:37 |
| ttx | np :) | 15:39 |
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