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| kevko | prometheanfire: hello Matthew , could I have some questions regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/505973/ ( Michal Arbet ) | 08:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michal Arbet proposed openstack/requirements master: [DNM] test review of networkx-2.0 for consuming projects to use https://review.openstack.org/505973 | 13:04 |
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| prometheanfire | kevko: once tests come back :P | 14:16 |
| kevko | prometheanfire: Hi, you asked me in email that : Why would you depend on that? ...but I have to depend on that review because my tests are failing on upper-constraint ( it is installing 1.11 networkx when tests are failing ) ...or ..am I wrong ? | 14:20 |
| kevko | prometheanfire: btw ...I rebased the review to master | 14:20 |
| kevko | prometheanfire: this is taskflow fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/577833/ | 14:22 |
| prometheanfire | ya, saw the taskflow fix, very happy about it (since it was above me) | 14:28 |
| kevko | prometheanfire: what about my question ? | 14:30 |
| prometheanfire | kevko: getting to it, just getting started | 14:31 |
| kevko | prometheanfire: ok , sorry ;-) | 14:31 |
| prometheanfire | my comment, 'other projects should depend on this change' was meant to say that other projects like taskflow should depend on it | 14:32 |
| prometheanfire | your taskflow review does depend on it, so we are good there | 14:33 |
| kevko | prometheanfire: ok, but I don't know why tests are still not appearing ..it is 84 minutes now from last commit | 14:33 |
| prometheanfire | kevko: because the other projects install releases of taskflow, not from git iirc | 14:34 |
| prometheanfire | cross project testing like this can suck | 14:34 |
| prometheanfire | the cleanest way forward is to get taskflow to work with 1.11 and 2.1 BOTH, make a release of that, then we can update GR/UC to >2.0/2.1 | 14:35 |
| prometheanfire | it's also the hardest code wise of course | 14:36 |
| kevko | prometheanfire: i'm not sure if that is possible | 14:36 |
| kevko | prometheanfire: like ..nice way | 14:36 |
| prometheanfire | doing a hard switch to support 2.1 without 1.11 support means a break and a forced merge somewhere | 14:36 |
| prometheanfire | dhellmann: tell me if I'm wrong here :D | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | prometheanfire : you're right. We're going to need some way to support both versions at once if we want to be able to test the change to upper constraints. | 14:55 |
| dhellmann | that may mean testing the version of networkx and defining classes differently, or wrapping the use of networkx in functions that can test the version and do the right thing, or some other approach | 14:56 |
| edmondsw | zigo where would I find pkgos-dh? | 15:04 |
| zigo | edmondsw: In openstack-pkg-tools. | 15:07 |
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| kevko | dhellmann: Are u sure you can't first release taskflow ? Because taskflow is fixing all tests from global-requirements project ... | 16:06 |
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| dhellmann | kevko : if taskflow master does not work with both versions of networkx, then we won't be able to update the constraint to use the new version until we also fix all of the rest of the things that are using networkx. And we won't be able to test any service code with the new networkx until we can update the constraint. So we have a problem sequencing the patches to do the update across multiple repositories. | 16:17 |
| kevko | dhellmann: ok, i rewrite taskflow patch | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | kevko : thank you. and I'm sorry this is so hard. I wish more developers took more care with making API changes in libraries. | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | prometheanfire : do you know off the top of your head which requirements jobs still need to be updated to use python 3? | 16:23 |
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| prometheanfire | dhellmann: not off the top of my head, at lunch now actually :P | 16:33 |
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| dhellmann | prometheanfire : ok, I'll dig around | 16:45 |
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| prometheanfire | 26 min | 20:04 |
| tonyb | It seems I'm double bookd for 0630 this morning. I'll kmeep an eye on the meeting but I wont be fully present | 20:24 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: in terms of requiremenst "owned" jobs all of them that don't specifically have a "pyXX" in the name, so validate* update, linters etc | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | tonyb : ok, thanks | 20:26 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: the only ones I worry about are the "bot" jobs everythgin else would be easy to switch, and fix if needed. | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | yeah, we'll just need to take them one at a time I guess | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | how do you feel about doing that this cycle? | 20:29 |
| dhellmann | or at least starting | 20:29 |
| prometheanfire | sgtm | 20:30 |
| prometheanfire | #startmeeting requirements | 20:30 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: +2+W | 20:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 27 20:30:11 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is prometheanfire. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 20:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'requirements' | 20:30 |
| prometheanfire | #topic rollcall | 20:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 20:30 | |
| prometheanfire | tonyb, prometheanfire, number80, dirk, coolsvap, toabctl, smcginnis, dhellmann | 20:30 |
| prometheanfire | o/ | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:30 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 20:31 |
| prometheanfire | #topic Any controversies in the Queue? | 20:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Any controversies in the Queue? (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 20:31 | |
| smcginnis | We still have issues with networkx and the google API packages. | 20:32 |
| prometheanfire | ya, I forget what was with the google-api packages | 20:32 |
| prometheanfire | what was breaking from it (do you remember)? | 20:33 |
| prometheanfire | networkx, kevko is helping, which is awesome | 20:33 |
| smcginnis | The google one was something to do with package renames or something along those lines. | 20:33 |
| prometheanfire | I'm in a constant wait state on these pycrypto reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/c/575199/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/575163/ | 20:33 |
| smcginnis | I think Gorka said he would take a look into it, but I know he's pretty busy. | 20:33 |
| prometheanfire | smcginnis: oh, that's fun, but if it's just renames it's not so bad | 20:33 |
| smcginnis | We may just need to keep it capped until we can deprecate and remove that backup driver if no one can step up to maintain it. | 20:34 |
| smcginnis | There may be more to it than just a rename. I'm not really sure of the specifics. | 20:34 |
| prometheanfire | ya | 20:34 |
| smcginnis | But history is Google paid a consultant to add the driver, then was never seen from again. | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | driver where? | 20:35 |
| prometheanfire | lol, remove it, if they don't want to maintain it then too bad | 20:35 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: The only consumer of the Google API package in question that I know of is for a Cinder backup driver. | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | ok | 20:35 |
| prometheanfire | ya, I thought that was being looked at for review as well | 20:36 |
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| prometheanfire | review meaning possible removal | 20:37 |
| smcginnis | I should poke jungleboyj on that and see what he would like to do. | 20:37 |
| prometheanfire | yarp | 20:37 |
| smcginnis | The only down side is I think there may be users of that driver, but we are otherwise pretty strict about our other driver types, so backup shouldn't be any different. | 20:37 |
| prometheanfire | anything else? | 20:37 |
| dhellmann | nothing from me | 20:38 |
| tbarron | hi | 20:38 |
| prometheanfire | tbarron: yo | 20:39 |
| tbarron | are you already on open discussion? | 20:39 |
| * tbarron came in late | 20:39 | |
| prometheanfire | dhellmann: smcginnis what do you think should be done about getting reviews for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/575199/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/575163/ ? | 20:39 |
| prometheanfire | tbarron: soon | 20:39 |
| * tbarron goes back to fly-on-wall | 20:40 | |
| dhellmann | prometheanfire : have you talked to the PTL? | 20:40 |
| dhellmann | I guess I should say, what have you already tried? | 20:41 |
| smcginnis | Last I heard the team was small, so it may just take some time to get reviews. | 20:41 |
| prometheanfire | dhellmann: mainly tried their channel and ML | 20:41 |
| prometheanfire | I could try adding their ptl to the reviews and/or emailing them directly | 20:41 |
| dhellmann | I would try emailing the PTL directly next | 20:42 |
| prometheanfire | k | 20:42 |
| prometheanfire | I'll do that | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | as smcginnis says, it may take some time to get a review, but at least that way you may get a response about what's going on with the team | 20:42 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 20:42 |
| prometheanfire | yep | 20:42 |
| prometheanfire | ok, anything else before open floor? | 20:43 |
| smcginnis | nope | 20:43 |
| prometheanfire | #topic open floor | 20:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open floor (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 20:43 | |
| tbarron | I was recently attempting a stable/pike backport issue in manila and | 20:43 |
| tbarron | hit a devstack issue building libvirt-python | 20:44 |
| tbarron | there's an incompatability with the libvirt in the version of CentOS that | 20:44 |
| tbarron | is used | 20:44 |
| tbarron | probably the OS gets updated (with libvirt) after stable requirements are known to work and fixed | 20:44 |
| tbarron | so that then incompatabilities come in | 20:45 |
| tbarron | anyways, raised https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1778971 | 20:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1778971 in OpenStack Global Requirements "stable/pike libvirt / python-libvirt incompatability" [Undecided,New] | 20:45 |
| tbarron | this is of course more of an issue with long term releases | 20:45 |
| tbarron | impacting need to maintain stable/* longer | 20:45 |
| prometheanfire | tbarron: yep, we've seen this before iirc | 20:46 |
| tbarron | that's it | 20:46 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb: do you remember if we've had to update libvirt for stable branches, I think it's come up before and we've updated it | 20:46 |
| smcginnis | This all seemed very familiar to me too, but couldn't remember any details. | 20:46 |
| smcginnis | rev | 20:47 |
| smcginnis | oops | 20:47 |
| prometheanfire | :D | 20:47 |
| tbarron | well I dunno if it happened on stable/* but it looks like ubuntu had a similar issue with libvirt and libvirt-python: | 20:49 |
| prometheanfire | tbarron: I think we can update it, especially if it's breaking gate (centos gate in this case iirc). I'd like to confirm that we've done it before (and think that we have) but I hope to have a final plan by next week/meeting | 20:49 |
| tbarron | https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1636567 | 20:49 |
| smcginnis | I see other attemptes: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/requirements+message:libvirt | 20:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1636567 in openstack-ansible "devstack mitaka installation fails with error "Running setup.py bdist_wheel for libvirt-python: finished with status 'error'" in Ubuntu 16.10" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Jesse Pretorius (jesse-pretorius) | 20:49 |
| tbarron | prometheanfire: thanks, it's fine with me for upstream requirements to proceed deliberately, i've | 20:50 |
| smcginnis | But I agree, for a supported stable release on it's tested platform, we should allow raising it since that platform apparently has. | 20:50 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: sorry we've never done this thing to my recollection | 20:51 |
| tbarron | had to go on and propose the backport downstream to relieve some customer pain but I'm referencing the upstream (-1 workflow) review so that it will all eventually be consistent | 20:51 |
| smcginnis | It seems past attempts to do this usually ended up with the stables branch no longer being supported. | 20:51 |
| prometheanfire | smcginnis: heh, that's true | 20:52 |
| prometheanfire | but now that we are going longer on LTS we don't have that to 'fall back on' | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | we should only need to update the constraint, right? | 20:52 |
| prometheanfire | yes | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | why is that a problem? | 20:52 |
| prometheanfire | I'm sure there's some libvirt sec bug we can use as an excuse to update it if we really want to stay in policy | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | is libvirt special? or are we saying we don't update any constraints other than our own releases? | 20:53 |
| dhellmann | because if we're going to encourage extended maintenance branches we're likely going to need to allow constraint updates like this, right? | 20:53 |
| prometheanfire | we don't update other than our own releases | 20:53 |
| dhellmann | hmm. ok. I thought we didn't update the others automatically. I didn't realize we never updated them at all. | 20:54 |
| tbarron | one somewhat weird thing is that the constraint for stable/queens is libvirt-python>=3.5.0,!=4.1.0 and 3.10.0 (which works) is selected whereas | 20:54 |
| tbarron | for stable/pike we have 'libvirt-python>=1.2.5' and libvirt-python===3.5.0 is selected | 20:55 |
| dhellmann | I would expect an older version in an older branch | 20:55 |
| prometheanfire | tbarron: it's just what libvirt was frozen at when we cut the release | 20:55 |
| dhellmann | right | 20:55 |
| tbarron | all possible given the constraints, but 3.5.0 would be legal in stable/queens in which case that would break too | 20:55 |
| prometheanfire | I sent the freezer ptl email btw | 20:56 |
| dhellmann | we don't update the requirements settings, but we should be able to accept changes to the constraints list | 20:56 |
| prometheanfire | tbarron: queens didn't have lower constraint testing (testing the lower-bounds) | 20:56 |
| tbarron | prometheanfire: ack | 20:56 |
| dhellmann | can someone remind me why we freeze the constraints like that? | 20:57 |
| tbarron | i'm just saying that it's somewhat accidental that stable/queens isn't also broken | 20:57 |
| prometheanfire | dhellmann: ya, we may have to call it out as valid, but with *reasons* we can update | 20:57 |
| dhellmann | prometheanfire : I don't understand why we are so strict in the first place. I understand why we don't take bot changes. I don't understand why we don't take human-proposed changes. | 20:57 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: IIRC there is also a need to bump the minimum but I'm hazy on that | 20:57 |
| prometheanfire | dhellmann: history | 20:58 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: if it were just the constraint then I don't know that we'd be having this discussion | 20:58 |
| dhellmann | prometheanfire : I think you're following rules that I didn't envision when we set up this team, so I'm just trying to understand what changed between then and now. | 20:58 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb: you may be right, if the min doesn't work we'd need to change the min, if we change the min, that'd have to propigate out and cause knock-on releases | 20:58 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb: dhellmann I'm fine with just the constraint | 20:59 |
| * prometheanfire thinks we are talking past eachother | 20:59 | |
| dhellmann | maybe | 20:59 |
| smcginnis | I thought the history was newere outside libs could introduce problems, making stable releases not so stable. | 21:00 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: constraints are frozen just because lots broke when we updated them we introduce bugs | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | IIRC, we lock the requirements down because changing those implies incompatible updates and propagates requirements that distros update their packages. We do allow changes to the constraints because that's just our list of what we test with. | 21:00 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb: dhellmann our process allows it already https://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/dependency-management.html#stable-branch-maintenance | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | We don't let the *bot* make wholesale constraint changes because we don't want to keep up with that. We should allow people to propose individual (or small sets of) updates to make the CI system keep working. | 21:01 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: Sure I think I'm just confused due to multitasking | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | ok | 21:01 |
| prometheanfire | dhellmann: which is the policy | 21:01 |
| prometheanfire | we all violently agree :P | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | woo! | 21:01 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: Oh yeah if $person wants to bump a constraint on a stable branch hat's fine | 21:01 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, this appears totally fine within the rules described by that first bullet. | 21:01 |
| prometheanfire | tbarron: what version did we need? 3.10.0? | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | ok, I thought that's what was happening here, so I was confused about why it needed to be discussed. :-) | 21:02 |
| prometheanfire | dhellmann: /me shrugs | 21:02 |
| tbarron | prometheanfire: that's what I see working in stable/queens, just empirical | 21:02 |
| tbarron | prometheanfire: with the same CentOS image and same libvirt package | 21:02 |
| prometheanfire | tbarron: you want to propose that or want us to? it'd need reasoning in the commit message | 21:03 |
| tbarron | prometheanfire: I'd actually like someone experienced to do it and add me to the review so I can learn | 21:04 |
| tonyb | There was some concern about bumping a major version (or 2) but libvirt doesn't semver so meh | 21:04 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb: indeed | 21:04 |
| tbarron | I'll be happy to help out with such stuff going forwards. | 21:04 |
| prometheanfire | ok, I'll propose | 21:04 |
| prometheanfire | anything else before I close this out? | 21:04 |
| tonyb | nope | 21:05 |
| tbarron | thanks folks | 21:05 |
| prometheanfire | #endmeeting | 21:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Requirements - IRC meetngs on Wednesdays @ 07:00 UTC in here in #openstack-requirements - See agenda @ http://tinyurl.com/h44ryuw - IRC channel is *LOGGED* @ http://tinyurl.com/j38rk24" | 21:06 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 27 21:06:51 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2018/requirements.2018-06-27-20.30.html | 21:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2018/requirements.2018-06-27-20.30.txt | 21:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Thode proposed openstack/requirements stable/pike: Update libvirt-python to 3.10.0 https://review.openstack.org/578558 | 21:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2018/requirements.2018-06-27-20.30.log.html | 21:06 |
| prometheanfire | tbarron: ^ | 21:07 |
| prometheanfire | in the middle there | 21:07 |
| tbarron | prometheanfire: got it, ty | 21:07 |
| smcginnis | tbarron: Oops, I accidentally added you to the wrong review. Ignore that if you got an email. | 21:08 |
| smcginnis | I wish Gerrit had an undo on there. | 21:08 |
| tbarron | smcginnis: ty anyways, I just added myself to this one. Think I see how to do it going forwards. | 21:09 |
| smcginnis | tbarron: Yeah, really nothing intimidating once you see it. | 21:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tom Barron proposed openstack/requirements stable/pike: Update libvirt-python to 3.10.0 https://review.openstack.org/578558 | 21:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tony Breeds proposed openstack/requirements stable/pike: Update libvirt-python to 3.10.0 https://review.openstack.org/578558 | 22:01 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: just for the record, vene though it's your patch can you +1/+2 ^^^ | 23:28 |
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| prometheanfire | tonyb: I know :P | 23:32 |
| prometheanfire | I just wait for tests | 23:33 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: Ahh okay | 23:33 |
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