Tuesday, 2020-02-25

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openstackgerritZane Bitter proposed openstack/governance master: Clarify doc locations in U goal  https://review.opendev.org/70961701:54
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jungleboyjaprice: Thank you.  That will be helpful and as we talked about in PM, I can keep you updated on what happens with that document and if there are related blogs you want, etc. I am happy to help.03:26
apricejungleboyj: awesome - thank you! I’ll keep an eye on the content as it gets further along03:27
jungleboyjSounds good.  :-)03:27
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evrardjptc-members and others, if you intend to join the TC room during the OpenDev Vancouver event, please tell us so on the ML! :)08:39
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ttxo/09:02
evrardjpo/09:04
evrardjpI am not asking a committment on the ML, just a guesstimate if you would come or not09:04
ttxNB: I'll be taking some time off next week -- is that when the monthlyTC meeting is planned ?09:05
ricolino/09:14
ricolinevrardjp, just replied09:14
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evrardjpthat sounds like it ttx09:21
evrardjpwhich reminds me that we need to send the agenda09:21
ttxnoted! Have a good one :)09:25
evrardjpttx: feel free to update the agenda if there is something you wanted to report09:26
evrardjpthat's not on the ML ofc09:26
evrardjpor better, feel free to post on the ML some kind of report, and we'll report/talk about your report09:27
evrardjpso meta09:27
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/ideas master: Small cleanups  https://review.opendev.org/70929909:38
mnaseri should be in the tc room at opendev09:50
evrardjpthanks mnaser10:22
ttxposted the public TC/UC thread after discussion with UC members: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-February/012806.html10:24
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openstackgerritThierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: Guidelines for dropping project teams  https://review.opendev.org/70742111:02
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evrardjpthanks ttx for updating the wiki11:44
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zanebevrardjp: undecided, but leaning towards no with this whole coronavirus thing14:22
openstackgerritThierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: OpenStack-Helm does not require release management  https://review.opendev.org/70578314:30
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gmannevrardjp: i will be there.14:51
evrardjpzaneb: yeah we need to take precautions in those kind of numbers, even more when there are these kind of sad events14:53
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zanebyeah, I'm assuming that old people and very young people are going to be most vulnerable. I'll leave it to you to decide which of those I'd be most concerned about ;)14:58
smcginnisLF sent out a nice statement for some of their upcoming events that they will be sanitizing surfaces frequently, mics between speakers, and encouraging a "no handshakes" policy. Might be good if we do the same.14:59
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ttxI'll pass the suggestion on15:57
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johnsomFYI, the new "CII" badge doesn't link to the CII website like the governance patch implied. It links to the OpenStack TC tags page which doesn't list it.18:21
johnsomExample: https://github.com/openstack/octavia/blob/master/README.rst18:21
johnsomActually, the community project tag doesn't land where it was intended either.18:25
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johnsomhttps://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/200733918:27
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funginone of those tags link to distinct places, they just all link to the tag index18:29
fungii also have no idea what "community project" and "cii best practices" mean in that context18:30
* fungi resorts to a git blame18:30
fungioh, right, that tag block is all a single image anyway18:32
fungiso without some sort of fancy js or xhtml link mapping, which i doubt github readme rendering would support, we can't link different parts of the image to different urls18:32
fungithose two new badges were added to the image by https://review.opendev.org/69590818:33
fungiaha!18:36
fungiit's svg, and uses a xlink:href property for each element18:36
fungiso that may depend on browser support18:36
fungiif i "open image in a new tab" then firefox links away to the different places correctly18:37
mugsiehttps://opendev.org/openstack/octavia/blame/branch/master/README.rst#L5-L618:38
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mugsiethe image is a link on its own18:38
fungibut in the context of the surrounding readme.rst rendering, the image is surrounded by an <a href="..."> yeah18:39
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fungiso that seems to take precedence18:39
johnsomYeah, just noticed it goes to a page that doesn't explain it on Chrome....18:39
mugsieyeah, it will wrap the image in a href18:40
fungiso we could drop the outer link for the object, and then browsers with svg support will likely link to the correct places, but we lose any overall linkaway from that object for browsers which don't support xlink:href in svg18:40
fungiprobably a reasonable tradeoff18:41
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fungilooks like the behavior is the same where opendev.org renders it too18:42
fungiunfortunately, the "fix" has to be done in each individual project's readme18:43
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fungi(remove the :target: attribute from the image directive)18:43
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smcginnisI thought the idea was to show the badge reflecting the projects state, but have it link to the main place where they are defined.18:48
* smcginnis hasn't looked closely18:48
mugsiesmcginnis: we added badges that don't relate to the tags, under the assumption that the svg links would work I think18:52
fungismcginnis: i agree that seems to have been the desire, but the effect is that the outer hyperlink is what browsers wind up following for a click anywhere on the image region, and so they ignore the embedded links within the image subregions18:52
smcginnisAh18:53
fungithere might be hacky ways to get browsers which support in-svg links to prefer those over the html level hyperlink, but i have no idea what that might be18:54
fungiand given the audience, i have a feeling dropping the html level hyperlink will probably still work for a lot of folks, but also will be less confusing for everyone whether it's supported in their browser or not (browsers lacking support are either not showing that image anyway, or are just treating it like an image and nothing clickable, which seems a reasonable compromise)18:55
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fungi(at least compared to linking the image to a generic url which isn't applicable to some of the badges displayed within it)18:56
openstackgerritKendall Nelson proposed openstack/election master: Set Victoria  configuration  https://review.opendev.org/70847018:57
gmann i think 'community project' is TC governed projects but no idea on what is 'cii best practices'18:58
gmannhaving link to main tag page is not so bad as long as we define all those tag in that page. like 'community project' is missing18:59
fungigmann: it links to https://bestpractices.coreinfrastructure.org/en/projects/246'18:59
fungier, without my mistyped extra ' on the end of course19:00
fungia linux foundation effort to identify open source projects with reasonable testing standards19:00
fungier, reasonable community standards i mean19:01
gmanni see, and that is given to all openstack governed projects as openstack governance make sure each project under them satisfy the criteria. we should link that to out tag page also19:02
gmanns/out/our19:03
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fungiwell, it's not a governance tag19:06
fungiit's just a "badge"19:06
gmanntrue but if all tags are linked to same page then we can just include ref of it19:13
gmanni mean all badge are linked..19:14
fungiwell, except that having that link at all makes the more specific links in the svg files completely useless19:17
fungimay as well drop the in-image link targets if nobody is ever going to be able to click them19:17
fungi(due to the outer html level link)19:18
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