| opendevreview | Slawek Kaplonski proposed openstack/governance master: Updating the RBAC goal as per new direction in zed cycle https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/847418 | 08:43 |
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| slaweq | tc-members: meeting starts in 2 minutes | 14:58 |
| slaweq | #startmeeting tc | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Thu Jul 21 15:00:22 2022 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slaweq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
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| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 15:00 |
| slaweq | #topic Roll call | 15:00 |
| slaweq | o/ | 15:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 15:00 |
| knikolla | o/ | 15:00 |
| knikolla | (sorry i've not been that active the past 2 weeks. some unexpected things fell on my plate due to someone leaving) | 15:01 |
| slaweq | I think we should wait few more minutes for quorum | 15:01 |
| slaweq | gmann told me few days ago that his availability is tentative so he may not be here | 15:02 |
| slaweq | but I don't know about others | 15:02 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 15:03 |
| spotz_ | o/ | 15:03 |
| spotz_ | I'll be out next week | 15:03 |
| slaweq | ok, lets start | 15:03 |
| slaweq | agenda for today | 15:03 |
| slaweq | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee#Next_Meeting | 15:03 |
| diablo_rojo | o/ | 15:04 |
| slaweq | we don't have any follow up from the last week | 15:04 |
| slaweq | so lets go directly to the gate health check | 15:04 |
| slaweq | #topic Gate health check | 15:04 |
| slaweq | any news about gate? | 15:05 |
| dansmith | I don't have anything | 15:05 |
| slaweq | regarding bare rechecks, I checked it today again | 15:05 |
| slaweq | https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/recheck-weekly-summary | 15:05 |
| slaweq | but as gthiemonge pointed in the mail, I need to update my script to check only last rechecks, not all of them | 15:06 |
| slaweq | so those numbers still may not reflect properly state of the rechecks in last days as it includes older rechecks too | 15:06 |
| rosmaita | so right now, it's a cumulative number? | 15:06 |
| rosmaita | what you just said | 15:06 |
| slaweq | rosmaita: yes, it takes patches which were updated in last X days but checks all "recheck" comments from them | 15:07 |
| slaweq | also older than X days | 15:07 |
| rosmaita | gotcha | 15:07 |
| slaweq | if there is nothing else related to the gates, lets move on | 15:08 |
| slaweq | #topic RBAC community-wide goal | 15:08 |
| slaweq | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/847418 | 15:08 |
| slaweq | I updated it today to address dansmith's and jay's comments | 15:08 |
| slaweq | please review once again when You will have time | 15:09 |
| dansmith | I saw, will circle back | 15:09 |
| rosmaita | ack | 15:09 |
| slaweq | thx | 15:09 |
| slaweq | anything else regarding S-RBAC topic today? | 15:09 |
| slaweq | ok, I guess it means "no" :) | 15:12 |
| slaweq | so lets move to the next topic | 15:12 |
| slaweq | #topic Question about copyright headers in files | 15:13 |
| slaweq | rosmaita: it's your topic :) | 15:13 |
| rosmaita | thanks | 15:13 |
| rosmaita | to be clear, i am not trying to stir up any trouble | 15:13 |
| rosmaita | the context is that there was a question on a gerrit review | 15:13 |
| rosmaita | so i googled "openstack copyright statement in files" and got this: | 15:14 |
| rosmaita | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LegalIssuesFAQ | 15:14 |
| rosmaita | as the top hit, so i imagine anyone in a similar situation will find that same page | 15:14 |
| rosmaita | but as it's the wiki, it hasn't been updated in a while | 15:14 |
| rosmaita | so I was wondering whether it's still accurate? or how i could even ascertain that | 15:15 |
| dansmith | fwiw, that mostly lines up with what I've known as openstack's specific policy, which is "not that opinionated" | 15:15 |
| dansmith | but typically copyright statements (or copyrights in general) need to be maintained when anything non-trivial is taken from a file | 15:15 |
| dansmith | and people tend to add their copyright to the file when they contribute something non-trivial to that file | 15:16 |
| rosmaita | it would be helpful to have a statement on the page saying "This is considered accurate as of <date>" | 15:16 |
| rosmaita | (and someone would have to occasionally update <date>) | 15:16 |
| rosmaita | but i don't know who is in a position to make that assertion | 15:16 |
| slaweq | me neighter | 15:17 |
| dansmith | is it necessary? | 15:17 |
| rosmaita | i think so | 15:17 |
| rosmaita | because the wiki is wildly out of date in places | 15:17 |
| slaweq | but first question which come to my mind is about ML legal-discuss@lists.openstack.org - is it still valid? | 15:17 |
| rosmaita | so you never know | 15:17 |
| slaweq | if yes, maybe we should send that question there? | 15:17 |
| spotz___ | Might go to OIF | 15:18 |
| rosmaita | archives end Dec 2019 | 15:18 |
| rosmaita | but that could just be because no one had any legal issues since then | 15:18 |
| rosmaita | ok, i will take an action item to send my question to legal-discuss and see what happens | 15:18 |
| slaweq | rosmaita thx | 15:19 |
| rosmaita | ok, that's all from me | 15:19 |
| slaweq | #action rosmaita to send question about https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LegalIssuesFAQ to the legal-discuss ML | 15:19 |
| fungi | legal-discuss@lists.openstack.org does still exist, yes | 15:19 |
| fungi | it's "very low-volume" | 15:20 |
| rosmaita | apparently! | 15:20 |
| fungi | also the LegalIssuesFAQ article still represents the current position, at least from the standpoint of the foundation's legal counsel | 15:20 |
| fungi | though i've been thinking for a while we should probably move that into the project team guide | 15:20 |
| fungi | i've just never found the spare time to do it myself | 15:21 |
| rosmaita | i wasn't sure if it was already moved somewhere else, so good to know that's the definitive statement | 15:21 |
| rosmaita | instead of sending an email, maybe i should put up a patch to the project-team-guide? | 15:21 |
| slaweq | ++ | 15:22 |
| slaweq | if we have confirmation that it's still valid then IMO it's good idea | 15:22 |
| rosmaita | ok, i'll do that and send a message to legal-discuss pointing people to the review | 15:22 |
| slaweq | thx | 15:22 |
| rosmaita | thanks fungi | 15:22 |
| spotz___ | ++ | 15:22 |
| fungi | yw | 15:24 |
| slaweq | I think that we can move on to the last topic for today then | 15:24 |
| slaweq | #topic Open Reviews | 15:24 |
| slaweq | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/projects:openstack/governance+is:open | 15:24 |
| slaweq | please review skyline as emerging technology proposal: | 15:25 |
| slaweq | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/849155 | 15:25 |
| slaweq | we already discussed about S-RBAC patch earlier | 15:25 |
| slaweq | and other patches requires some work AFAICT | 15:26 |
| slaweq | and that's all from me for today | 15:26 |
| slaweq | any questions/comments about reviews? | 15:27 |
| slaweq | or maybe do You have any other topics to discuss today? | 15:27 |
| dansmith | end it! | 15:28 |
| rosmaita | nothing from me | 15:28 |
| slaweq | ok, thx for attending today | 15:29 |
| diablo_rojo | Nothing from me | 15:29 |
| slaweq | #endmeeting | 15:29 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Thu Jul 21 15:29:13 2022 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:29 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2022/tc.2022-07-21-15.00.html | 15:29 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2022/tc.2022-07-21-15.00.txt | 15:29 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2022/tc.2022-07-21-15.00.log.html | 15:29 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks slaweq for hosting! | 15:29 |
| slaweq | diablo_rojo: yw :) | 15:29 |
| slaweq | it was my first time like that in TC meeting | 15:30 |
| rosmaita | good job! | 15:30 |
| diablo_rojo | But you've hosted Neutron meetings right? | 15:30 |
| slaweq | diablo_rojo: yes, sure | 15:30 |
| diablo_rojo | So it was just the first time hosting TC, not just hosting? | 15:30 |
| slaweq | yep | 15:31 |
| diablo_rojo | Well thank you :) | 15:31 |
| spotz___ | Great job! | 15:33 |
| opendevreview | Brian Rosmaita proposed openstack/project-team-guide master: Add Legal Issues FAQ https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-team-guide/+/850675 | 16:40 |
| fungi | thanks rosmaita! | 16:41 |
| fungi | would you like an copy of my entire to do list, maybe on fancy paper? ;) | 16:41 |
| rosmaita | it would have to be on very fancy paper! | 17:30 |
| fungi | well, obviously. only the best | 17:31 |
| rosmaita | fungi: i like your idea to merge the Legal FAQ as is, and then after that merges I can post a "Revise Legal Issues FAQ" patch starting with the changes you suggest, and then that's the review we can announce on legal-discuss | 19:49 |
| fungi | yep, much cleaner that way | 19:50 |
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