| cardoe | Making a plea to the nova folks for a spec (we'll see how the follow on patch actually goes) to be merged. | 02:58 |
|---|---|---|
| cardoe | Specifically talking about https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/471815 | 14:58 |
| gouthamr | tc-members: gentle reminder that we're meeting on Meetpad today for our weekly meeting, you're welcome to join here in IRC as well | 16:06 |
| gouthamr | #startmeeting tc | 17:00 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Tue Aug 5 17:00:29 2025 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gouthamr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 17:00 |
| gouthamr | #info Today's meeting is being held primarily via video call. Action items and meeting minutes will be documented in IRC but for a full replay of the meeting, please visit the OpenStack TC youtube channel, where the recording will be uploaded soon. | 17:00 |
| gouthamr | #link https://www.youtube.com/@openstack-tc | 17:00 |
| gouthamr | #link https://meetpad.opendev.org/openstack-tc-weekly | 17:00 |
| gouthamr | Welcome to the weekly meeting of the OpenStack Technical Committee. A reminder that this meeting is held under the OpenInfra Code of Conduct available at https://openinfra.dev/legal/code-of-conduct. | 17:01 |
| gouthamr | Today's meeting agenda can be found at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 17:01 |
| gouthamr | #topic Roll Call | 17:01 |
| gouthamr | gmaan is on the Meetpad | 17:02 |
| gouthamr | as is fungi | 17:02 |
| gmaan | o/ | 17:03 |
| gouthamr | not here today: mnas iadka, g t e m a, b a u za s, n o onedeadpunk | 17:04 |
| gouthamr | courtesy-ping: spotz[m], cardoe | 17:04 |
| gouthamr | so lots of people are out today | 17:04 |
| mnasiadka | o/ | 17:05 |
| mnasiadka | I'm here | 17:05 |
| gouthamr | hey there mnasiadka | 17:05 |
| gouthamr | welcome back, we're here https://meetpad.opendev.org/openstack-tc-weekly | 17:05 |
| gouthamr | #topic Last Week AIs | 17:06 |
| gouthamr | #link https://lists.openstack.org/archives/list/openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org/thread/F4XQ7QU2S4WCNOVCGW3ZONI4IYX4KVFW/ | 17:08 |
| gouthamr | ^ we meant to follow up on this thread | 17:08 |
| gouthamr | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/monasca-retirement | 17:08 |
| gouthamr | we can proceed with the retirement process here | 17:09 |
| cardoe | I'm connecting | 17:09 |
| gouthamr | gmaan is concerned about steps breaking the CI and needing a lot of time from a volunteer | 17:09 |
| gouthamr | the retirement steps are well recorded | 17:10 |
| gouthamr | i can volunteer to drive this | 17:10 |
| gouthamr | it might be slow and buggy, but i'll seek help via reviews through the process | 17:11 |
| gouthamr | next AI, we were discussing the runtime update required for the Gazpacho release | 17:11 |
| gouthamr | no work has been done here yet, besides past discussions on what test platforms may be available and what we'll need to ensure we test eventlet removal | 17:12 |
| gouthamr | gmaan is concerned about the python version that we'll test with | 17:13 |
| gouthamr | we are testing with python 3.13 in a non-voting job now | 17:13 |
| gouthamr | typically we determine the python version's support timeline vs the longevity/availability of the openstack release | 17:14 |
| fungi | debian 13 (trixie) is releasing this weekend on saturday, 2025-08-09 with python 3.13 as its default and *only* python interpreter version | 17:15 |
| gouthamr | besides that, we'll also look at what the distros are shipping with as default ^ | 17:15 |
| gouthamr | ty fungi | 17:15 |
| clarkb | and eventlet compatibiltiy right? | 17:15 |
| gouthamr | yes | 17:16 |
| fungi | per last week's meeting, things are working in debian with 3.13 but i don't know what the shortcomings are wrt eventlet there | 17:16 |
| mnasiadka | Debian Bookworm EOL is 2026-06-10 | 17:16 |
| mnasiadka | So Debian users will probably want to upgrade beyond this point to Trixie which is 3.13 only | 17:17 |
| fungi | users on debian 12/bookworm will probably be able to take advantage of debian-lts after the official eol if they need to stay on it, but yes we shouldn't force them to do that | 17:20 |
| gouthamr | frickler was working on a job with trixie | 17:20 |
| gouthamr | #link https://zuul.opendev.org/t/openstack/build/383c2cdaf5714e2f851ad85f20ae4ed7/logs | 17:20 |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/devstack/+/954653 | 17:20 |
| gouthamr | s/on a job with trixie/adding support to deploy on trixie | 17:21 |
| fungi | opendev hasn't started mirroring packages for trixie, but will likely do so very soon (i think that job is temporarily just not using our mirrors to get around it) | 17:22 |
| gouthamr | gmaan says that the test results look encouraging, the next step would be to go beyond the smoke tests that have run on this job | 17:22 |
| gouthamr | ack fungi | 17:22 |
| gouthamr | anything else about the impending runtime update? | 17:22 |
| gouthamr | the last AI that i see is regarding defining "affiliation" in teh TC's charter | 17:23 |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/956024 (Define "affiliation" within the context of the TC) | 17:23 |
| gouthamr | some TC folk are out for a couple more weeks, so we may not pick up the 2/3rds majority to get this in this week | 17:25 |
| gouthamr | gmaan is hoping we can merge this change prior to teh nomination window closing | 17:25 |
| gouthamr | that's all the AIs i was tracking | 17:27 |
| gouthamr | was anyone else working on anything else? | 17:27 |
| gouthamr | the last OpenInfra AI Working Group discussion was recorded | 17:28 |
| gouthamr | #link https://lists.openinfra.org/archives/list/ai-openstack-wg@lists.openinfra.org/message/NLGRKUNLAIZTX6TBOJYSV3OX4E3F6OFC/ | 17:29 |
| gouthamr | ^ please find the recording and the etherpad capturing the discussion linked in this thread | 17:29 |
| gouthamr | #topic A check on gate health | 17:29 |
| gouthamr | any CI issues or updates to share this week? | 17:29 |
| gouthamr | gmaan noted a prior failure with timeouts in the grenade skip level job | 17:30 |
| gouthamr | they were being addressed by gibi's change as we noted last week | 17:30 |
| gouthamr | has anyone noticed any other failures with this job (or any other job) to note here? | 17:31 |
| fungi | there were some debian job failures for a few days because our mirror grew stale due to one of the older suites getting dropped from upstream debian mirrors | 17:31 |
| fungi | also openmetal is doing maintenance on our cluster there, and we neglected to take it offline before they brought the mirror server down, resulting in some failures | 17:32 |
| gouthamr | ack, the base Ceph job is the newest using debian bookworm, and has quite a good footprint.. i haven't seen any new failures | 17:32 |
| fungi | (it's out of our configuraiton now, but thankfully doesn't account for a large amount of our total quota) | 17:32 |
| gouthamr | ++ thanks fungi | 17:32 |
| fungi | that's all i had for updates | 17:33 |
| gouthamr | #topic TC Tracker | 17:33 |
| gouthamr | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-2025.2-tracker (Technical Committee activity tracker - 2025.2) | 17:33 |
| gouthamr | regarding the first item on the list: the user survey | 17:34 |
| gouthamr | it | 17:34 |
| gouthamr | is open to take until the end of this month | 17:34 |
| gouthamr | but, we did see requests to update questions on the next user survey | 17:35 |
| * gouthamr will connect with aprice and helena and get them to coordinate with PTLs/project teams when we wrap this survey | 17:35 | |
| gouthamr | gmaan continues to work on the SRBAC goal | 17:36 |
| gouthamr | in nova (manager and service roles are being added) | 17:36 |
| gouthamr | he's concerned about projects that have not yet completed phase 1 | 17:37 |
| gouthamr | there's work also happening in tempest where the tests will use the least privileged user in different contexts | 17:38 |
| gouthamr | the latest on this is on the etherpad: | 17:39 |
| gouthamr | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/rbac-goal-tracking | 17:39 |
| gouthamr | we are discussing about bubbling this back up to the mailing list | 17:40 |
| gouthamr | there could be bandwidth and time concerns to chase this down in Flamingo | 17:40 |
| gouthamr | #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/proposed/migrate-from-wsgi-scripts-to-module-paths.html | 17:41 |
| gouthamr | ^ we had a proposed goal that may be obselete now | 17:41 |
| gouthamr | #action gouthamr will check with stephenfin and see if we can mark this complete | 17:43 |
| fungi | #link https://lists.openstack.org/archives/list/openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org/thread/WNI4PE2TZ3G52C3U5FT2YNVRUAJB3CMO/ Decommissioning RefStack and retiring related software | 17:43 |
| gouthamr | fungi notes that python-tempestconf seems to be actively maintained | 17:45 |
| gouthamr | this isn't an OpenStack deliverable today | 17:45 |
| gouthamr | gmaan mentions that openstack-qa considered it in the past, however, it doesn't directly map to the testing tooling the team maintans | 17:45 |
| gouthamr | Red Hat developers seem to be invested in this repository | 17:46 |
| gouthamr | fungi says that Red Hat folks can fork the project and ship/maintain this further | 17:46 |
| gouthamr | so the repos here can be cleaned up from the openinfra namespace on opendev.org | 17:47 |
| gouthamr | the other concern was about the refstack-server being used to run a subset of tests to qualify a cloud | 17:50 |
| gouthamr | we'll try to get these folks talking to openstack-qa to create a replacement procedure | 17:51 |
| gouthamr | #topic Open Discussion | 17:51 |
| fungi | oops, sorry i meant to bring the refstack thing up under open discussion, just thought you'd missed updating the topic | 17:52 |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/governance+status:open | 17:52 |
| gouthamr | okay we wrapped up on Meetpad | 17:54 |
| gouthamr | with a note to review any open governance changes | 17:55 |
| gouthamr | and other changes in repos owned by the TC, like: | 17:57 |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/openstack-manuals+status:open | 17:57 |
| gouthamr | thank you all for attending | 17:57 |
| gouthamr | see you here next week! | 17:57 |
| gouthamr | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Tue Aug 5 17:57:22 2025 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:57 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2025/tc.2025-08-05-17.00.html | 17:57 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2025/tc.2025-08-05-17.00.txt | 17:57 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2025/tc.2025-08-05-17.00.log.html | 17:57 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/governance master: Fix project_stats_check script https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/955108 | 19:12 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/governance master: Add series names to runtimes doc https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/955810 | 19:12 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/governance master: os-test-images never releases https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/954249 | 20:51 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 4.0.0 by Marius Gedminas - find it at https://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/!