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| alekibango | Brian1: np, hopefully someone will reply :D | 00:01 |
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| alekibango | i should start my own company and add it on the list, hehe | 00:02 |
| creiht | Brian1: I think Mark Collier would probably be a good place to start | 00:02 |
| alekibango | yep. i would mail him | 00:02 |
| alekibango | if i was in your situation | 00:03 |
| Brian1 | Is his address listed on openstack.org? | 00:03 |
| creiht | Brian1: I think it is mark.collier@rackspace.com | 00:03 |
| Brian1 | Thanks guys. | 00:04 |
| creiht | Brian1: If that doesn't work, then poke us again in here :) | 00:04 |
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| cw | creiht: wrt to practical implementation, do you know the ratio of container/auth/object instances? | 02:09 |
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| notmyname | cw: in our clusters, we have container = account = object instances (one each running on each storage node). we use the production rackspacecloud auth, so we don't handle that. | 02:24 |
| creiht | cw: instances as in actual entities on disk, or servers that hold those entities? | 02:24 |
| notmyname | creiht: sorry, didn't want to steal your answer. just wasn't sure if you were on | 02:25 |
| creiht | hah | 02:25 |
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| cw | entites on disk | 02:46 |
| cw | basically it seems it's easier to make it as uniform as possible ... but that means you have a lot of copies and redundancy for non object data | 02:46 |
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| notmyname | but non-object data is important too | 02:48 |
| cw | yeah | 02:49 |
| creiht | cw: I don't know exact numbers, but in general, few accounts, more containers, and a whole lot of objects :) | 02:49 |
| creiht | we also need to have replicas of the accounts and containers just like we do objects | 02:50 |
| cw | so you basically run the same set of process for each spindle? | 02:50 |
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| cw | and make it uniform | 02:50 |
| creiht | ahh, I think it depends on your config | 02:50 |
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| cw | yes | 02:50 |
| cw | i'm asking what's know to work well :-) | 02:51 |
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| gholt | Well, I suppose if you know you're only going to have a few accounts, a few containers in those accounts, and tons and tons of objects, you might not bother with the 1-1-1 ratio. For instance, if you're only going to have one account, you only need 3 or 4 account servers, any more would be idle. The only reason to have 4 is so you have a handoff if 1 goes down. | 03:19 |
| cw | the plan is a lot of everything | 03:45 |
| cw | for lack of really knowing | 03:45 |
| cw | to be clear ... it could be a lot of everything ... that's certainly the desire | 03:46 |
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| cw | gholt: do you check for disks that have abnormally high space ... it's not likely a problem but with enough spindles you should see some spectrum of sizes | 03:50 |
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| zaitcev | How to run a specific test? For example, test.unit.account.test_server.TestAccountController fails... Any way to run just that? | 03:55 |
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| zaitcev | test_DELETE_empty (test.unit.account.test_server.TestAccountController) ... ERROR | 03:58 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #623172 in nova "Compute node failed to create vm instance on launching command euca-run-instances" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/623172 | 06:35 |
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| soren | mtaylor: Still here, by any chance? | 07:53 |
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| creiht | cw: When we filled up a cluster during testing, we saw about a +/- 10% range of disk usage | 13:06 |
| creiht | If I remember correctly | 13:06 |
| creiht | And it probably isn't a bad idea to monitor disc usage | 13:06 |
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| creiht | Just a heads up to anyone running swift, my middleware refactor branch is being merged to trunk, which means your configs will need to change | 14:58 |
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| creiht | where's mtaylor when you need him :/ | 15:07 |
| gholt | I think it's just a quick change, we can do and he can fix later, hehe. | 15:07 |
| creiht | gholt: we can install deps on hudson? | 15:09 |
| gholt | By changing the debian/control file, sure! | 15:09 |
| creiht | ahh | 15:09 |
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| gholt | Want me to try? | 15:10 |
| creiht | sure :) | 15:10 |
| creiht | ok, so just add python-pastedeploy as a dependency there then? | 15:12 |
| gholt | Yeah, it should be that easy. | 15:12 |
| creiht | cool | 15:12 |
| gholt | Okay, waiting for it to hit the debian branch, then I'll kick off the merge again. | 15:16 |
| creiht | cool | 15:16 |
| creiht | thanks | 15:16 |
| fmontezuma | Hello there, I discovered OpenStack project yesterday and I would like to understand why this project was created if there are already other open source projects like Eucalyptus in this area. | 15:20 |
| fmontezuma | Both projects have the same purpose, right? | 15:21 |
| gholt | Well, the easiest answer is that they were developed over the same time period. But a key difference is that OpenStack will not have an Enterprise Edition. OpenStack will always be one edition: the full edition. | 15:24 |
| creiht | fmontezuma: openstack is also desgined to scale beyond what Eucalyptus does | 15:27 |
| creiht | One of the main reasons NASA dropped working with Eycalyptus to start Nova | 15:27 |
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| fmontezuma | creiht: right... got it. I dont have experience with IaaS. Trying to learn | 15:28 |
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| creiht | fmontezuma: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/19/nasa_rackspace_openstack/ | 15:29 |
| fmontezuma | creiht: There is something to help with using Java/PHP or to help I need to know Python or C++ ? | 15:30 |
| creiht | fmontezuma: Currently a majority of the code is python | 15:30 |
| creiht | fmontezuma: feel free to look around and see if something interests you | 15:31 |
| creiht | fmontezuma: https://edge.launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/low-hanging-fruit | 15:32 |
| fmontezuma | creiht: I'll read about it | 15:35 |
| fmontezuma | thanks | 15:35 |
| creiht | fmontezuma: If you have any questions feel free to ask here or on the mailing lists | 15:36 |
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| fmontezuma | creiht: Is there some easy area where I can start with? So I learn python as well. | 15:38 |
| creiht | fmontezuma: the low-hanging-fruit link has items that can be worked on by people just getting started | 15:39 |
| fmontezuma | creiht: looking for the repository where I can download the branch used here. Sorry... I am not familiar with launchpad | 15:43 |
| creiht | fmontezuma: http://wiki.openstack.org/GettingTheCode | 15:43 |
| creiht | http://wiki.openstack.org/InstallInstructions | 15:44 |
| creiht | Is also probably a pretty good place to learn how to set up the code | 15:44 |
| fmontezuma | thanks man | 15:44 |
| fmontezuma | I'll read it better at the end of the day | 15:45 |
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| alekibango | btw in those installation manuals, imho it would be VERY nice to default on virtualenv usage. like this tutor: http://www.joinfu.com/2010/07/developing-nova-on-linux-getting-started/ | 16:22 |
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| alekibango | virtualenv rocks, it helps to manage sane server environment | 16:23 |
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| vishy | these instructions are pretty good as well: http://wiki.openstack.org/InstallationNova20100729 | 16:32 |
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| alekibango | vishy: the page recommends getting virtualenv, but is not activating it... | 16:53 |
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| [ack] | is openstack intended to be used to host machines for a single organization? is there support for multi-tennant clouds? | 17:15 |
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| dendrobates | [ack]: multi-tenancy is a key requirement of the project | 17:19 |
| [ack] | awesome | 17:19 |
| [ack] | then i'll have a look at the dev pages to see what i can contribute | 17:19 |
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| dendrobates | everyone: I just sent an email to the team about a release meeting on Friday and about creating blueprints for features | 17:20 |
| dendrobates | ping me or email me if you have questions. | 17:20 |
| tonywolf | dendrobates: am I on that list; I'd like to see what you have on creating blueprints for features. | 17:21 |
| dendrobates | tonywolf: are you a member of any of the launchpad teams? That is who it went to. | 17:22 |
| dendrobates | tonywolf: I'll be in SA on Thursday. We need to catch up. | 17:22 |
| tonywolf | dendrobates: I thought I was a member, but I don't seem to be getting e-mails. I'll check into it. I would love to catch up, I'm free most of Thursday afternoon at the moment. | 17:24 |
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| eday | jaypipes: you have a couple merge reqs approved with conflicts, just FYI if you have time to sync with trunk. :) | 18:25 |
| jaypipes | eday: k will do thx | 18:26 |
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| letterj | mtaylor: I'm getting an error trying to build packages based on python-sphinx (>= 1.0.2) | 18:58 |
| mtaylor | letterj: you need to install sphinx from the swift-core ppa | 18:59 |
| letterj | mtaylor: the ppa I get is 1.0~b1-1ubuntu1~lucid0 | 19:00 |
| mtaylor | hrm | 19:00 |
| gholt | The 1.0~b1-1ubuntu1~lucid0 from lucid (just made available in the last 24hrs) seems okay. | 19:00 |
| mtaylor | letterj: so it is, my bad - that depend should be (>= 1.0) ... why the hell did I think it was 1.0.2? | 19:01 |
| gholt | It was getting really late/early? | 19:01 |
| mtaylor | gholt: yeah. good point :) | 19:01 |
| letterj | mtaylor: No worries. I don't see how you keep all the stuff straight for both projects. You are doing great work. | 19:02 |
| mtaylor | letterj: thanks! ... don't forget, I'm also still working on drizzle too. I need a clone... | 19:03 |
| letterj | Really? Wow! That's insane. | 19:03 |
| letterj | I can create a bug and fix it later today. I need to get our lab up or gholt will be mad at me | 19:04 |
| mtaylor | it may be one of the reasons I'm so hot and heavy about automation | 19:04 |
| letterj | :-) | 19:04 |
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| mtaylor | letterj: I've got it fixed ... one sec | 19:04 |
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| mtaylor | letterj: I've been needing to get actually working swift packages back in the ppa for a while... this should just about do it | 19:05 |
| letterj | the last issue is the /etc/swift directory. I guess we can create that by putting the *.conf files in there | 19:06 |
| mtaylor | yeah | 19:07 |
| mtaylor | we should probably fix that in the trunk branch and then merge it up to the nightly branch | 19:07 |
| letterj | I still like putting *.conf-sample files where you had them | 19:08 |
| mtaylor | I do too | 19:08 |
| mtaylor | I'm not sure what the _right_ way to do some of this is - I don't fully like any of the 'right' solutions | 19:08 |
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| mtaylor | letterj: ok. all fixed and merged and stuff. give the latest lp:swift/debian a go! | 19:21 |
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| letterj | mtaylor: I still get the error on bzr bd. I emailed you the error I'm getting | 19:28 |
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| mtaylor | letterj: cool | 19:30 |
| mtaylor | letterj: aha! ok. fixable... 1.0~b1 is actually < 1.0 | 19:33 |
| mtaylor | letterj: but, there are packages we can backport for 1.0.1 (which would be nicer in the ppa anyway because that way they aren't beta...) | 19:33 |
| mtaylor | letterj: gimme a few and I'll have the ppa sorted | 19:33 |
| mtaylor | letterj: ok - new packages uploaded to ppas ... may be a few hours before they get built there | 19:40 |
| mtaylor | letterj: if you want to not wait, grab lp:~swift-core/ubuntu/lucid/sphinx/backport and do a bzr bd in it ... | 19:42 |
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| letterj | mtaylor: thanks for taking the time to look at this. | 19:48 |
| mtaylor | letterj: my pleasure! | 19:51 |
| mtaylor | soren: python-sphinx version is going to bork us for maverick unless we can get 1.0.1 into maverick as part of this... see lp:~swift-core/ubuntu/maverick/sphinx/backport | 19:52 |
| mtaylor | soren: other option is to remove the doc packages from swift when we upload to ubuntu for the first time and then add them back once ubuntu has a sensible version of sphinx | 19:53 |
| creiht | I'm not sure why we have to make 1.0.1 required? | 19:53 |
| creiht | If they have the older version, it is just a warning | 19:54 |
| mtaylor | creiht: because of that thing from a while ago where there was an incompat ... ah | 19:54 |
| mtaylor | hrm | 19:54 |
| creiht | docs still build fine with the older version | 19:54 |
| mtaylor | creiht: well, that may be a better solution | 19:54 |
| mtaylor | creiht: you and your being sensible | 19:54 |
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| creiht | heh | 19:54 |
| mtaylor | soren: ignore what I said - we should just drop the version require :) | 19:54 |
| mtaylor | soren: but also we should get the version of sphinx in ubuntu updated ... | 19:55 |
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| eday | gundlach: hehe, so I feel like a total PITA, but in that last rev of your merge you don't really need the 'else:' where you broke up the ternary line :) | 20:29 |
| gundlach | right, but if/else is going to be clearer than if: foo; return... if we're going for clarity :) | 20:29 |
| gundlach | i definitely don't want | 20:29 |
| gundlach | if type(result) is dict: | 20:29 |
| gundlach | return serialize(dict) | 20:30 |
| gundlach | return result | 20:30 |
| gundlach | 20:30 | |
| gundlach | because then "return result" looks like the normal behavior, and it's not! | 20:30 |
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| gundlach | but at this point i am happy to make any changes you wish in order to get the code to merge, so let me know if you'd like me to drop the else: | 20:31 |
| eday | gundlach: hehe, I'm approving as is (and would have with the ternary).. it's pretty silly :) | 20:31 |
| gundlach | yay! thanks | 20:31 |
| eday | gundlach: but I see your point | 20:31 |
| eday | i guess with the else:, it doesn't feel like there is any default | 20:33 |
| gundlach | heh, right; that's the idea behind the ternary -- it implies the default. | 20:33 |
| eday | I guess you could negate the type check and drop the else so serialize looks like the default | 20:33 |
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| eday | mtaylor: something up with the nova tarmac machine? been getting a lot of errors with volume tests cases (unrelated to changes being merged) | 21:11 |
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| mtaylor | eday: looking | 21:18 |
| mtaylor | eday: don't see anything | 21:18 |
| mtaylor | eday: perhaps we need to set up the test job for that differently or something? | 21:19 |
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| eday | mtaylor: the last merge attempt failed due to an unrelated test failing, which makes me think something changed on the machine | 21:20 |
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| mtaylor | eday: not really - haven't done anything different there except installed a new package that swift needed | 21:24 |
| eday | hmm, ok | 21:24 |
| eday | mtaylor: can you run the test suite 10 times and see if you get it everytime? | 21:24 |
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| mtaylor | eday: on the box or off? | 21:25 |
| eday | mtaylor: on the tarmac box | 21:25 |
| eday | just curious how often it fails | 21:25 |
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| mtn_dude | Does anyone know what kind of monitoring of nodes are available, natively or through SNMP, in OpenStack? | 21:42 |
| gholt | With Swift, it's all log monitoring. Of course, the standard OS monitoring capabilities are there. | 21:43 |
| mtn_dude | K. So, in addition to OS-based SNMP I could implement something like Splunk? | 21:46 |
| gholt | Well, I can't speak for Nova, but with Swift yes. We're looking to clean the logs up a bit to make monitoring better/more-useful, but it "works" for the moment. Future direction will be better use of the log levels, such as critical just for really bad things. | 21:49 |
| gholt | But yes, some sort of remote log collecting is recommended. | 21:49 |
| gholt | Monitoring disk usage, network interfaces, processes, etc. is best via the usual OS facilities. | 21:50 |
| mtn_dude | Thx! Will set it up in the near future and test out. | 21:50 |
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