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| vishy | no not yet | 02:43 |
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| ghaskins | hi all, trying to walk through the install-tutorial and hitting this: | 04:33 |
| ghaskins | http://pastie.org/1340384 | 04:33 |
| ghaskins | any pointers appreciated | 04:33 |
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| piken | morning | 14:00 |
| ghaskins | repost: any suggestions on whats wrong here: http://pastie.org/1340384 | 14:00 |
| soren | ghaskins: You're missing the "nova-manage network create" step. | 14:01 |
| ghaskins | soren: ah, thx! | 14:01 |
| ghaskins | will try | 14:01 |
| soren | ghaskins: Somethng like this: | 14:01 |
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| soren | ghaskins: nova-manage network create 10.0.0.0/8 1 64 | 14:02 |
| ghaskins | soren: worked like a champ, thanx! | 14:03 |
| soren | ghaskins: np | 14:03 |
| * ghaskins continues the tutorial | 14:03 | |
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| ghaskins | soren: I assume this error means I probably have an incompatible version of boto installed? http://pastie.org/1341309 | 14:09 |
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| ghaskins | does anyone know what version of boto openstack has been known to work with | 14:12 |
| ghaskins | i am running 2.0 atm | 14:12 |
| ghaskins | acually 2.0b3 to be exact | 14:14 |
| ghaskins | what does Ubuntu ship? | 14:14 |
| soren | 1.9b | 14:15 |
| soren | Boto 2.0 itself is fine. | 14:16 |
| soren | euca2ools with boto 2.0... Not so much. | 14:16 |
| ghaskins | soren: ah, ok..ill downgrade the package to 1.9b then | 14:17 |
| ghaskins | any particular version of euca2ools I should have, as well? | 14:17 |
| ghaskins | i seem to be running euca2ools-1.3.1 | 14:19 |
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| soren | ghaskins: That should be fine. | 14:21 |
| soren | ghaskins: In your honour: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/684179 https://code.launchpad.net/~soren/nova/no-more-networks-error/+merge/42482 :) | 14:22 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 684179 in nova "Having to run "nova-manage network create" is not easily discoverable" [Undecided,New] | 14:22 |
| ghaskins | soren: re: euca, ok, re: bug, thx! | 14:22 |
| soren | ghaskins: You're far from the first person to stumble on that one. We should have fixed it long ago. | 14:23 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #684179 in nova "Having to run "nova-manage network create" is not easily discoverable" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/684179 | 14:26 |
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| annegentle | soren: do you run "nova-manage network create" directly before creating a project? I will add it to the install instructions (it's not in there) | 15:13 |
| dubsquared1 | — /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/nova-manage user admin <user_name> | 15:15 |
| dubsquared1 | — /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/nova-manage project create <project_name> <user_name> | 15:15 |
| dubsquared1 | — /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/nova-manage network create <cidr> <num_networks> <total_ips> | 15:15 |
| dubsquared1 | thats from my dox | 15:16 |
| annegentle | soren: well, that step is not in the single install, but it is in the multi-server install steps | 15:16 |
| dubsquared1 | — /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/nova-manage user admin admin | 15:17 |
| dubsquared1 | — /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/nova-manage project create demo admin | 15:17 |
| dubsquared1 | — /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/nova-manage network create 192.168.0.0/24 1 230 | 15:17 |
| dubsquared1 | for example | 15:17 |
| ttx | annegentle: we should revamp the "install on Ubuntu" instructions based on the current PPA. I posted http://fnords.wordpress.com/2010/12/02/bleeding-edge-openstack-nova-on-maverick/ to that effect | 15:17 |
| annegentle | ttx: thanks for that! | 15:17 |
| soren | annegentle: It just needs to be run before nova-manage project zipfile. | 15:18 |
| soren | annegentle: It doesn't depend on users already having been set up. | 15:18 |
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| soren | annegentle: I've put in a patch that spits something like this out: | 15:18 |
| soren | No more networks available. If this is a new installation, you need | 15:19 |
| soren | to call something like this: | 15:19 |
| soren | nova-manage create network 10.0.0.0/8 10 64 | 15:19 |
| soren | ...if you run "nova-manage project zipfile" and it fails this way. | 15:19 |
| soren | ..since that seems to be a common pattern. | 15:19 |
| annegentle | soren: That's a much better fix than just doc, thanks for doing that. | 15:19 |
| ttx | annegentle: it leverages uec-publish-tarball which simplifies image registration | 15:20 |
| annegentle | is there any way to know what version of nova is installed on an existing installation? | 15:20 |
| annegentle | ttx: oh that's good | 15:20 |
| ttx | annegentle: we should probably publish the ttylinux image under a uec-publish-tarball compatible form. | 15:20 |
| annegentle | ttx: I appreciate you and soren both using blog entries to document fast-moving changes | 15:21 |
| soren | annegentle: finding out what version you're on> Not really. It depends on the install method you used, and if it's not from packages, there's really no way to do it. | 15:22 |
| ttx | annegentle: we should roll that back into doc, blogposts aren't great as reference doc. | 15:23 |
| ttx | annegentle: I just didn't want to add "yet another" install doc. | 15:23 |
| annegentle | ttx: yup, that's what I appreciate most, that you intend for it to be rolled into doc :) | 15:24 |
| ttx | annegentle: you should define a few use cases (run from released packages, run from bleeding-edge packages, run from branch) and we should keep that up to date. | 15:25 |
| annegentle | soren: re: version, ok | 15:25 |
| ttx | though the matrix with deployment environments might become a bit too large | 15:26 |
| annegentle | ttx: my current naming scheme for those three cases is NovaInstall/Austin, NovaInstall, InstallFromSource | 15:27 |
| annegentle | ttx: now I need a new page for the VirtualBox items on the mailing list. Any suggestions? | 15:27 |
| ttx | ack | 15:27 |
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| annegentle | ttx: I think NovaInstall mixes different package gathering tho. Feel free to suggest a re-org as we go. | 15:29 |
| ttx | annegentle: i'm not sure this needs parallel instructions... maybe just a list of caveats and extra config steps for that kind of install ? | 15:29 |
| ttx | (the vbox stuff) | 15:29 |
| annegentle | ttx: mostly just need a download location to post the links to the large iso or zip files | 15:30 |
| ttx | annegentle: we could also play a game of #Includes where we avoid duplicating info | 15:30 |
| annegentle | ttx: love includes | 15:30 |
| ttx | annegentle: that makes it a bit less edit-friendly, but... | 15:31 |
| annegentle | ttx: the edits we're seeing are light-touch, so I think (hope) people will leave macros alone. But I do know other tech writers have had to turn macros off when the wiki starts getting lots of edits. | 15:33 |
| ttx | I used includes heavily in http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ServerUECTopology1?action=raw | 15:33 |
| ttx | I think for install instructions, that makes sense | 15:33 |
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| annegentle | ttx: I think for this particular item, install doc, it's time to do some more complex architecture to aid with maintenance | 15:33 |
| annegentle | ttx: yes | 15:34 |
| ttx | annegentle: currently NovaInstall is a bit confusing with (1) an install from source (2) multimachine (3) Austin/10.10 instructions | 15:37 |
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| ttx | (none of those covering the BleedingEdgePPA/10.10 case, which I think should be the recommended one. | 15:38 |
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| annegentle | ttx: How about this? Have the wiki store just the bleeding edge and install from source cases, and the multimachine and Austin go to nova.openstack.org. | 15:39 |
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| ttx | annegentle: makes sense to me. That way the docs in the release cover the installation instructions for the release :) | 15:40 |
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| ttx | annegentle: also simpler to have a single use case per doc, even if that means playing with Includes for common content. | 15:42 |
| ttx | annegentle: not sure where nova.sh would fall under that scheme though. | 15:43 |
| ttx | probably in InstallFromSource. | 15:44 |
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| annegentle | ttx: yeah, that sounds right to me. | 15:45 |
| jaypipes | _0x44, sirp, gundlach: if you've got a chance to peruse https://code.launchpad.net/~jaypipes/glance/teller-api/+merge/42392, that would be most appreciated. Just want to know if I'm on the right track before I go further. | 15:46 |
| gundlach | jaypipes: saw that and starred it in my email. i hope to be able to tackle it today. | 15:47 |
| jaypipes | gundlach: cheers :) | 15:47 |
| sirp | jaypipes: i looked at it some yesterday, and am looking at it right now | 15:47 |
| jaypipes | sirp: sweet. | 15:48 |
| sirp | the one thing that jumps out is the removal of parallax image uri, it def makes things simpler (and that's prob a good thing for now), but it's imcopatible (as far as i can tell) with the notion of federated registries... | 15:48 |
| sirp | perhaps we just keep it simple for bexar, cactus, and add a federated registries ticket for down-the-line | 15:48 |
| sirp | is that what you're thinking? | 15:48 |
| sirp | ^^^ for jaypipes | 15:50 |
| uvirtbot | sirp: Error: "^^" is not a valid command. | 15:50 |
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| jaypipes | sirp: I believe that is something to look into if and when a demand for that pops up...yes. | 15:51 |
| jaypipes | sirp: after all, the Parallax registry has support for multiple backends...there is quite a bit of flexibility already there. | 15:52 |
| jaypipes | sirp: and having a UUID identifier would essentially give us a federated registry ability for free... | 15:52 |
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| jaypipes | sirp: since you could chain Parallax registries together as middleware... if one didn't find a UUID, simply pass the request on to another one. | 15:53 |
| sirp | jaypipes: with a uuid, who maintains the mapping of UUID -> (location, id) | 15:53 |
| jaypipes | sirp: a parallax node. | 15:53 |
| creiht | we need uuids as a service! | 15:53 |
| creiht | :) | 15:53 |
| jaypipes | creiht: ++ | 15:53 |
| * creiht hopes jaypipes is joking as well :) | 15:54 | |
| jaypipes | creiht: yes, dude. | 15:54 |
| * jaypipes ushers creiht back into his hole... | 15:55 | |
| creiht | hehe | 15:55 |
| creiht | jaypipes: sometimes it is hard to tell :) | 15:55 |
| gundlach | creiht: just pay more attn to body language and tone | 15:56 |
| jaypipes | creiht: I know, I'm hard to read that way. Kind of like a book by Sarah Palin. | 15:56 |
| creiht | rackerhacker: I think jaypipes would make for a good sarah palin photoshop :) | 15:56 |
| rackerhacker | creiht: ORLY | 15:57 |
| rackerhacker | why do you think of me when you think of sarah palin? | 15:57 |
| creiht | rackerhacker: I think of you when I think of photoshop :) | 15:57 |
| _0x44 | jaypipes: Will star and look at it this evening. | 15:57 |
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| spectorclan | Design Summit 2011- new wiki page with current thinking on 2011 events at http://wiki.openstack.org/Summit/Spring2011 | 16:13 |
| spectorclan | Current thinking is three events : US, Europe and Asia in 2011 with US in April ; Europe in Summer; Asia in Fall | 16:14 |
| spectorclan | Check out thinking on US Date and Location - feedback is appreciated ; April 26-29, 2011 in San Francisco, CA | 16:14 |
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| ttx | spectorclan: 3 design summits in 2011 ? They are every 6 months currently. Planning to change that ? | 16:18 |
| spectorclan | ttx: thinking is to have some type of mini-design summit in Europe during the summer; not a full 4 day event but maybe 1 or 2 days | 16:19 |
| spectorclan | want to provide Europe an event in 2011 | 16:19 |
| ttx | spectorclan: ok, maybe not name it design summit then. rally or sprint, maybe | 16:19 |
| spectorclan | The Asia event would be the main one with the US | 16:19 |
| spectorclan | good idea, will update | 16:20 |
| ttx | or miniconf or whatever. | 16:20 |
| spectorclan | ttx: updated with Sprint for now, can work on name later | 16:20 |
| spectorclan | ttx: thoughts on date? | 16:22 |
| ttx | spectorclan: not yet... I'd have to draft the D release schedule to see that it doesn't conflict with development milestones | 16:23 |
| spectorclan | ttx: ok, no problem. thanks | 16:24 |
| KnightHacker | creiht: I can almost see your sarcasting smile .. but I finally got a chance to look at the existing auth implementation in swift and I see your arguments now :). | 16:26 |
| KnightHacker | creiht: I have a quick question if you don't mind. Is there a way that I can setup an "auth" server on a separate node than swift APIs? | 16:27 |
| creiht | yes | 16:28 |
| KnightHacker | Like in the proposal, we have two models namely embedded and separated. | 16:28 |
| creiht | (that's how it works at RS now) | 16:28 |
| KnightHacker | I see. So, swift excepts some "auth" arguments in the WSGI environment. As long as these arguments are set, it doesn't matter where it came from. | 16:30 |
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| creiht | correct | 16:30 |
| creiht | it is all left as an excersize for the middleware | 16:31 |
| KnightHacker | Looking at this way .. the proposal is really just to "standardize" on the attributes that swift should expect to receive from the middleware. | 16:32 |
| KnightHacker | hmmm | 16:32 |
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| KnightHacker | In the "separated" model, what happens if a request came directly to swift service itself instead of the "auth" service? | 16:36 |
| KnightHacker | Will it be redirected to Auth Service? | 16:37 |
| creiht | by separated, do you mean reverse proxy? | 16:37 |
| KnightHacker | I really mean running the auth service as an app on its own end point. | 16:38 |
| creiht | so the current scheme goes something like this | 16:38 |
| creiht | 1.) use auths with auth service to get token | 16:39 |
| creiht | user | 16:39 |
| creiht | 2.) user makes call to swift with the auth token | 16:39 |
| creiht | 3.) the swift auth middleware makes a service call to auth to validate | 16:39 |
| KnightHacker | OK. is this middleware embedded in the swift service? | 16:40 |
| creiht | That's how swift interacts currently with an autonomous auth system | 16:40 |
| * KnightHacker thanks creiht for his help | 16:40 | |
| KnightHacker | My question is about the middleware that validates this token or whatever. | 16:41 |
| creiht | swift comes with a reference implementation of the auth middleware which interacts with the dev auth server in the same way | 16:41 |
| KnightHacker | Yes, that's the implementation that I am looking at now. | 16:42 |
| creiht | And we have a separate auth middleware for the rack specific auth internally | 16:42 |
| KnightHacker | Right. This makes a ton of sense. | 16:42 |
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| KnightHacker | I guess my question is about separating the middleware from the swift service itself. For instance, can I deploy the middleware on a separate end-point than swift? | 16:43 |
| KnightHacker | I understand that this middleware is different than the auth service itself, which I like :). | 16:44 |
| creiht | theoretically yes | 16:44 |
| KnightHacker | But can I deploy 5 nodes of that middleware without having to create 5 nodes of swift APIs? | 16:44 |
| creiht | oh well that is different | 16:45 |
| creiht | KnightHacker: perhaps a better question at this point, is what type of problem are you trying to solve here? | 16:46 |
| JordanRinke1 | anyone here have the ability to admin the openstack@lists.launchpad.net mailing list? | 16:46 |
| KnightHacker | scaling my authentication without having to scale my API servers. | 16:46 |
| creiht | ahh | 16:46 |
| notmyname | KnightHacker: your middleware could make a call to an external system (VIP in front of load balancers, etc) via whatever transport you like | 16:47 |
| creiht | so in this case the middleware is just a thin layer, what you would be scaling is the external auth service that it calls out to | 16:47 |
| notmyname | (that's exactly what the RAX auth system currently does) | 16:48 |
| creiht | There isn't really much of anything to "scale" at the middleware layer | 16:48 |
| KnightHacker | What if an Operator decided to implement the full "authentication" mechanism in the middleware layer. | 16:49 |
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| KnightHacker | That way, the middleware won't be calling out to any external auth system. | 16:49 |
| creiht | then that is their problem :) | 16:49 |
| creiht | we can't prevent people from creating their own non-scalable systems :) | 16:49 |
| KnightHacker | haha .. I was debating whether or not it is an edge case, while I am typing my previous message. | 16:49 |
| notmyname | it's more of a "bad idea" rather than "edge case" | 16:50 |
| KnightHacker | Well, we aren't recommending to them to create an extrenal Auth system either, are we? | 16:50 |
| creiht | In most cases, I expect most places will either a.) already have an external auth system that they will integrate with, or b.) setting up something | 16:51 |
| KnightHacker | Agreed. | 16:51 |
| creiht | KnightHacker: We at least recommend to *not* use the built in dev auth system :) | 16:51 |
| notmyname | it might not be a bad thing to have some contrib auth middlewares that support common stuff like LDAP or something | 16:52 |
| notmyname | as examples, not prod-ready | 16:52 |
| creiht | notmyname: that basically already exists with xtoddx's auth implementation for nova | 16:53 |
| Ryan_Lane | web SSO support would be even nicer ;) | 16:53 |
| Ryan_Lane | like SAML | 16:53 |
| notmyname | cool | 16:53 |
| KnightHacker | creiht: notmyname: Thanks a bunch guys. I think I have a much better understanding now. | 16:53 |
| creiht | and there is an example of how to integrate with repoze.who in the docs | 16:53 |
| creiht | cool | 16:54 |
| creiht | feel free to ask questions anytime | 16:54 |
| KnightHacker | I appreciate it. | 16:54 |
| KnightHacker | And yes, I like the sample implementation for SAML, OAuth, ..etc. | 16:55 |
| creiht | patches welcome :) | 16:55 |
| zykes- | what auth does swift support nwo ? | 16:55 |
| KnightHacker | Yes, I have started to look at the code and exploring :). | 16:55 |
| creiht | nwo=New World Order? | 16:56 |
| creiht | :) | 16:56 |
| eday | vishy, soren: Can you guys approve https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~eday/nova/compute-abstraction/+merge/41805 again? had some text conflicts and won't let me merge without approving those :) | 16:56 |
| creiht | zykes-: swift auth is handled via middleware, so while support for auth system X isn't built in, it shouldn't be difficult to incorporate | 16:56 |
| notmyname | zykes-: the devauth that swift ships with (not for prod use) closely matches (but isn't identical) to the rackspace cloud auth system | 16:57 |
| notmyname | token-based | 16:57 |
| KnightHacker | creiht: what are you thoughts about authenticating "admins" or "ops" folks. For instance, what if I want to restrict the swift admin operations to specific accounts that are obviously different than the users/customers accounts. | 17:07 |
| KnightHacker | Should that be another middleware or should it be the same middleware handling both authentications? | 17:07 |
| * ttx EODs | 17:08 | |
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| zykes- | ttx: EOD ? | 17:13 |
| zykes- | creiht: middlewarel ike ? | 17:14 |
| creiht | depends on what you want to do | 17:15 |
| creiht | In general ops folks don't interact directly with users accounts, just systems | 17:15 |
| creiht | At least in our case | 17:16 |
| creiht | what is EOD? | 17:16 |
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| gundlach | end-of-day | 17:17 |
| creiht | heh | 17:17 |
| * gundlach EOLs, rather tautologically | 17:17 | |
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| eday | gundlach: damnit, stop breaking my merge req :) | 17:20 |
| gundlach | eday: heh! | 17:20 |
| gundlach | need me to re-approve? | 17:20 |
| gundlach | or, approve, i guess? | 17:20 |
| eday | gundlach: not now, once your last one lands.. will need to merge trunk again | 17:20 |
| * gundlach thinks that maybe if eday weren't so slow this wouldn't be a problem <ducks/> | 17:21 | |
| eday | gundlach: also, you're supposed to have two nova-core approvals before merging into trunk.. not that your last one did too much though :) | 17:21 |
| gundlach | two!? | 17:21 |
| eday | gundlach: yeah, that's what we discussed at the summit | 17:21 |
| gundlach | i'm in nova-core, do i get a vote? i had somehow forgotten that we needed two separate approvals. | 17:21 |
| eday | not on your own :) | 17:21 |
| gundlach | thanks for the reminder; shame on me | 17:21 |
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| eday | vishy: want to try once more? gundlach got another rev in there that broke mine :) | 17:39 |
| zykes- | hmm, RHEL6 seems nice | 17:46 |
| zykes- | contra RHEL5 | 17:46 |
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| gundlach | soren: pyflakes in vim has just pointed out a bug in existing code (that i wrote). rock! | 18:10 |
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| eday | gundlach: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~eday/nova/compute-abstraction/+merge/41805 if you have a moment :) | 18:11 |
| Ryan_Lane | now that are services share a common flagfile, how do you set the log file for individual services? | 18:12 |
| gundlach | eday: was just typing you a question asking about when that might appear, as i have more code and didn't want to get in your way again. | 18:12 |
| gundlach | i'll look now. | 18:12 |
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| vishy | eday: is this new? it used to be you could just reapprove at the new revision | 18:21 |
| eday | vishy: hudson kicked it back saying there were un-approved revs | 18:22 |
| vishy | weird, never seen that one before | 18:22 |
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| eday | perhaps there was a race condition, the merge req page hadn't seen the new rev when I marked it | 18:23 |
| vishy | eday: i'm testing. That seems more likely. I don't think hudson checks the subreviews at all, just the main status | 18:24 |
| eday | yeah, makes more sense | 18:25 |
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| gundlach | eday: lgtm | 18:30 |
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| gundlach | eday: i've seen that message before as well -- 'there are additional code changes that need review' -- started within the last week or so. | 18:30 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #684353 in nova "Need a way to determine Nova version after installing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/684353 | 18:46 |
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| rlucio | soren: fyi the packaging branch(es) need to be updated; the nova virt templates have moved from /usr/share/nova to /usr/share/pyshared/nova/virt | 19:15 |
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| soren | rlucio: Did that already. | 19:24 |
| soren | rlucio: 30 seconds after they moved or thereabouts. | 19:25 |
| rlucio | soren: ? i just upgraded to 2011.1~bzr436-0ubuntu0ppa1~lucid1 and all the services are still expecting stuff in /usr/share/nova | 19:25 |
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| rlucio | by default | 19:25 |
| rlucio | ok thats not entirely fair, not 'all services' i have ony looked at compute and manage | 19:26 |
| soren | rlucio: Where are you seeing this? | 19:27 |
| rlucio | unless my existing config file clobbered the upgrade. i just jumped on it b/c it looks like the packaging branch hasnt been updated in a while | 19:27 |
| soren | rlucio: Oh, you're looking at the wrong packaging branch. | 19:28 |
| soren | rlucio: I should try to make that more obvious, really. | 19:28 |
| soren | The packaging branch that's actually being used to build packages is quite lively. | 19:28 |
| rlucio | soren: oh my bad then... | 19:29 |
| vishy | ok the ttylinux freaking rocks | 19:30 |
| vishy | super helpful for testing | 19:30 |
| zykes- | ttylinux ? | 19:31 |
| soren | vishy: How's it different from your tiny image? | 19:31 |
| vishy | 1/5th of the size and supports scripts passed in via user data | 19:31 |
| soren | vishy: What /does/ the tiny image do with the meta-data service? Just ping it? | 19:34 |
| soren | all I could find was a proxy of some sort. | 19:35 |
| vishy | soren: yeah it proxied | 19:35 |
| vishy | with ttylinux i can do this | 19:35 |
| vishy | http://pastie.org/1342332 | 19:35 |
| vishy | and then i can verify connectivity to metadata and to internet without sshing in to the instance | 19:36 |
| vishy | euca-run-instances -t m1.tiny -f proxy.sh ami-tty | 19:36 |
| zykes- | proxy what ? | 19:37 |
| soren | vishy: Oh, so you just connect to the instance on those ports to check connectivity? | 19:38 |
| soren | That makes sense. | 19:38 |
| vishy | yeah | 19:38 |
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| vishy | just do a curl to verify | 19:38 |
| soren | I just noticed the error on the console when it couldn't connect, so I thought it actually did something useful with it. | 19:38 |
| soren | ...and couldn't find anything in the filesystem that looked remotely interesting. Ok, that clears that up. | 19:38 |
| vishy | we have a burn in script that launches 1000 instances on a new host, verifying connectivity to each one | 19:40 |
| soren | Yeah, that's good thinking. | 19:40 |
| soren | Using KVM, right? | 19:40 |
| vishy | yes | 19:40 |
| vishy | script is at http://github.com/vishvananda/novatools.git | 19:41 |
| * soren is happy that /someone/ is doing reasonably large scale, end-to-end testing. :) | 19:41 | |
| vishy | er...forget the .git at the end of that | 19:41 |
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| vishy | soren: possible to make a uml ttylinux? | 20:18 |
| vishy | soren: seems like it would be really useful for cloudpipes, we could throw a few hundred on a single box | 20:19 |
| gundlach | eday: re-review? | 20:20 |
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| eday | gundlach: so, I know this may be out of the scope of what you were trying to do, but it would be nice to also remove the db.instance get call in the update too. I'm already doing this for delete, so perhaps we should include it as part of another branch | 20:25 |
| gundlach | eday: yeah, i thought about taking care of the other db_driver calls, but didn't want scope creep. | 20:25 |
| eday | it's annoying how ec2 and os do authn differently, ec2 with project beforehand, os after we've looked at the instance record | 20:26 |
| eday | I don't want to start pushing authn checks down into nova.compute.api, but we also need to remove db calls from the api servers | 20:27 |
| eday | ideas anyone? :) | 20:28 |
| gundlach | eday: you do mean authentication, right? | 20:30 |
| gundlach | which is done before we look at the instance record in OS | 20:31 |
| eday | no, authn (or access control), the instance.user_id == authc'd user_id | 20:31 |
| eday | we want to be able to perform those checks without looking up instance ids | 20:32 |
| gundlach | heh, i think of authN as authNtication and authZ as authoriZation | 20:32 |
| eday | oh, perhaps i was screwing those up | 20:33 |
| eday | auth* :) | 20:33 |
| gundlach | heh | 20:33 |
| gundlach | sooo don't they both do authorization the same way? aka, in the db layer, with @require_context? | 20:34 |
| * gundlach goes to look at the code | 20:34 | |
| eday | oh, yeah | 20:35 |
| eday | so the os checks are really pointless | 20:35 |
| gundlach | looks to me like both ec2 and api fetch the instance record and then make the db call that has @require_context | 20:35 |
| gundlach | s/and api/and OS api/ | 20:35 |
| gundlach | eday: can you point me to the "os checks" you're talking about? | 20:35 |
| gundlach | for authorization i'm only aware of @require_[admin_]context and i think it's not pointless | 20:36 |
| eday | like the one in update we were just talking about: | 20:37 |
| eday | instance = self.db_driver.instance_get_by_internal_id(ctxt, int(id)) | 20:37 |
| eday | if not instance or instance.user_id != user_id: | 20:37 |
| eday | return faults.Fault(exc.HTTPNotFound()) | 20:37 |
| eday | but that user_id check has already happened in the db lookup, if I'm reading the db code correctly | 20:37 |
| gundlach | yep, you're right, the 'or instance.user_id != user_id' can go. of course we need the first part. | 20:38 |
| eday | I think all those can be safely removed | 20:38 |
| eday | well, the first part can be a NotFound exception from a compute.api method call | 20:39 |
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| eday | and catch/raise the os-specific faults | 20:39 |
| gundlach | so we'd pass the whole instance in to compute.api.update_instance? | 20:40 |
| gundlach | no, i'm slow, it would just accept an internal_id. | 20:40 |
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| gundlach | compute_api.update_instance(context, INTERNAL_id, values) | 20:41 |
| gundlach | that sound right? | 20:41 |
| eday | yup | 20:41 |
| eday | I'm doing this for delete right now, one sec | 20:41 |
| eday | if this looks good I'll do the rest like this too | 20:41 |
| gundlach | great | 20:41 |
| gundlach | i was thinking it's bad that we are exposing the sqlalchemy ids outside the DB layer now that we have the db-driver-agnostic internal_ids | 20:42 |
| eday | probably, we should make sure we use a guid like we were talking about before for all APIs | 20:44 |
| eday | as soon as we have separate compute workers generating the same sqlite id's, things will break pretty quickly :) | 20:45 |
| eday | (or just don't use sqlite id's at all, and use the guid's as primary keys) | 20:45 |
| gundlach | on that topic, can you clarify something for me re: eventual consistency of a scheduler's view of its compute workers? | 20:47 |
| gundlach | let's say the OS API wants to enforce a constraint: "No two servers owned by a user may have the same name." | 20:47 |
| gundlach | When a user requests to update a server's name, who do we check to see if that's allowed? | 20:48 |
| gundlach | Can we check the scheduler's knowledge of its running instances? I think not, because it's got some lag in its knowledge. | 20:48 |
| gundlach | Do we have to hit every compute node containing VMs for that user? | 20:48 |
| gundlach | Or perhaps we say, "unique server names are not compatible with our architecture" and punt? | 20:49 |
| eday | gundlach: punt, but we can make a best guess using method #1 | 20:50 |
| eday | gundlach: and on conflict, automatically rename one of them | 20:50 |
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| gundlach | eday: right then, thanks | 20:51 |
| eday | at least that what I was thinking, but yeah, we need to work around having any kind of global consistency :) | 20:51 |
| spectorclan | brining up nova following Thierry blog post today (http://planet.openstack.org/); question on creating the network; he says I used my unused 10.0.0.0/8 address; do I use that or something else based on my existing IP? | 20:57 |
| soren | vishy: For something like cloudpipe, kvm with ksm should be a good fit, really. | 20:59 |
| soren | vishy: I doubt you'd get much better density with uml. | 20:59 |
| vishy | ksm? | 21:00 |
| soren | Kernel Shared Memory (I think). | 21:00 |
| soren | It's a thingamajig that goes around looking for identical pages and removes dupes. | 21:00 |
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| soren | So if two guests have an identical memory page, the kernel throws one away, and lets the guests share the one. | 21:01 |
| soren | If either of them writes to it, a copy is created. It's completely transparent to guests. | 21:01 |
| soren | For identical guests (apart from a bit of configuration), there should be a lot of potential for high density stuff. | 21:01 |
| vishy | soren: interesting | 21:02 |
| creiht | dendrobates: how do we find out what our echosign transaction number is? | 21:06 |
| notmyname | creiht: it's supposed to be in an email that we got when we originally signed it | 21:07 |
| * notmyname can't find his either. hope it's in my home email account | 21:08 | |
| creiht | hrm | 21:08 |
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| JordanRinke | anyone here that can manage the openstack mailing list? | 21:11 |
| spectorclan | JordanRinke: which mailing list? | 21:13 |
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| JordanRinke | openstack@lists.launchpad.net | 21:13 |
| spectorclan | I don;t manage but perhaps I can assist | 21:13 |
| JordanRinke | for whatever reason, I can not send email to it | 21:13 |
| JordanRinke | I get stuff from the mailing list, but anything I try to send never goes through | 21:13 |
| creiht | JordanRinke: I saw your emails | 21:14 |
| creiht | the list doesn't send you posts that you make to the list | 21:14 |
| JordanRinke | on my me@jordanrinke.com email it sends me a copy and they show up in the archive | 21:14 |
| JordanRinke | my jordan@openstack.org ones weren't getting sent to me (or my other email address) and didn't show up in the archive | 21:14 |
| creiht | weird | 21:15 |
| spectorclan | JordanRinke: I would check with Thierry | 21:15 |
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| JordanRinke | cool, just email him. | 21:17 |
| JordanRinke | emailed* | 21:17 |
| JordanRinke | it is driving me nuts heh | 21:17 |
| spectorclan | sorry I couldn't help more | 21:18 |
| spectorclan | i manage the other email lists | 21:18 |
| JordanRinke | eh no prob, got me pointed in the right direction... that is more then I had 10 minutes ago | 21:18 |
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| soren | JordanRinke: I keep getting moderation requests about your e-mail. | 21:27 |
| soren | JordanRinke: Does Launchpad know about the address from whence you're sending e-mail? | 21:27 |
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| JordanRinke | soren: sorry I went AFK - yes it does, at least I think so - http://i.min.us/idjVJG.png | 21:41 |
| JordanRinke | picture of my current settings | 21:41 |
| jk0 | anyone in here who's used nova with XenServer? | 21:43 |
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| vishy | notmyname: i couldn't find the transaction id, but when i click to view the signed document, there is an aid= param in the url. I think that is the id | 21:50 |
| notmyname | from an email? or a url? I haven't found the email I got yet | 21:51 |
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| vishy | I did it from an email, but you might be able to get there by signing in on rackspace.echosign.com | 21:52 |
| exlt | if anyone has any interest in python packaging, there is a training session starting in a few minutes in #debian-women on OFTC (not freenode) - http://news.debian.net/2010/11/30/training-session-on-python-packaging/ | 21:53 |
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| vishy | where is a good place to upload images.tgz with the new ami-tty? | 21:59 |
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| notmyname | vishy: I think I'm hosting the current one in my cloud files account. but I think someone was talking about putting it in an openstack cloud files account. don't know too many details | 22:03 |
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| exlt | oh, whoops.. my calandar alert was set at the wrong time.. I missed 20:00 UTC.. | 22:09 |
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| JordanRinke | I can up it | 22:17 |
| JordanRinke | to the OpenStack CDN / Images | 22:18 |
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| jk0 | vishy: do you know if it's possible to provide a s3 username/password somehow? | 22:23 |
| * jk0 lazy irc :) | 22:23 | |
| vishy | provide to ... | 22:23 |
| jk0 | xenapi | 22:24 |
| jk0 | well, use the xenapi creds for s3 auth | 22:24 |
| vishy | never used xenapi... | 22:24 |
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| * vishy wonders if we are putting in the proper stuff on contributors, since dendros and others start with Q, but everyone elses starts with X | 22:26 | |
| vishy | s/Q/Q or P/ | 22:27 |
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| eday | vishy: huh? | 22:30 |
| Ryan_Lane | does nova require a ramdisk image to create an instance? I used uec-publish-tarball to push a lucid 64 bit image, and it came without a ramdisk | 22:30 |
| Ryan_Lane | but when I try to run it, I get the following error: NotFound: Image ari-11111 could not be found | 22:30 |
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| JordanRinke | Ryan_Lane: currently Yes | 22:32 |
| JordanRinke | you can use a ramdisk from something else though, at least I have been able to a few times | 22:32 |
| JordanRinke | do you have one you could use? | 22:32 |
| Ryan_Lane | ah | 22:32 |
| Ryan_Lane | the systems hosting it should work | 22:32 |
| Ryan_Lane | they are lucid and amd64 | 22:33 |
| JordanRinke | yeah, I used a lucid ramdisk on a maverick image and it booted | 22:33 |
| Ryan_Lane | though the kernel revision needs to be the same, right? | 22:33 |
| Ryan_Lane | guess not :) | 22:33 |
| JordanRinke | so, it doesn't seem too picky | 22:33 |
| JordanRinke | (I don't know the inner workings, I may have just gotten lucky) | 22:34 |
| vishy | eday: the contributors page in the wiki where were supposed to show that we've signed the cla | 22:37 |
| eday | vishy: ahh, ok | 22:41 |
| _0x44 | vishy: I have two of them, one is X the other starts with Q | 22:41 |
| vishy | _0x44: where did you get these things? | 22:42 |
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| _0x44 | vishy: The email from echosign included a pdf, it was at the bottom of every page. | 22:43 |
| notmyname | from the CyberDuck dev: "You may also be intersted to know that the upcoming release 3.8 of Cyberduck comes preconfigured with a bookmark option for Swift installations." | 22:43 |
| _0x44 | There's a URL, if you click it, it'll take you to check that the number is valid. | 22:43 |
| vishy | ah i didn't see the id at the bottom of the pdf | 22:45 |
| vishy | lucky me though, it is the same as the aid from the link | 22:45 |
| vishy | :) | 22:45 |
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| Ryan_Lane | ugh. I'm trying to register a bundled and uploaded ramdisk, and I'm getting this error on register: Warning: failed to parse error message from AWS: <unknown>:132:75: undefined entity | 22:48 |
| JordanRinke | Is there a PPA or something similar that just has the stable release? For instance we want a script that downloads the stable release, installs, configurs (puppet/bash/chef whatever) we cant use the current PPA since it gets updated with new changes, and we dont want to have to BZR and pull Austin | 22:48 |
| JordanRinke | maybe it is there already and I just didn't see it when I was looking around | 22:49 |
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| JordanRinke | I see the nova-core PPA and Trunk, but neither have a package from the Austin release from what I can see | 22:50 |
| JordanRinke | ohhh maybe I found it | 22:51 |
| JordanRinke | yeah, think I found it in https://launchpad.net/~openstack/+archive/openstack-ppa instead of nova-core :/ | 22:52 |
| Ryan_Lane | nevermind. I was trying to register the thing on the filesystem, not in the bucket (duh) | 22:52 |
| JordanRinke | eh, not sure that is it either, the package details show build errors for the lucid package, and it says nova is 0.9.1 instead of what I would expect to be 1.0? Anyone have the info to set me straight here? | 22:55 |
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| KyleM1 | Aright, I'm trying to run nova on ubuntu lucid. I've got the nova.sh script and run the branch, install, and run commands. The branch and install appeared to happen correctly. | 23:14 |
| KyleM1 | When I did ./nova.sh run it complained that nova/nova.sqlite didn't exist so it couldn't rm it. | 23:15 |
| KyleM1 | Then spat out some INFO lines and exported the keys. | 23:15 |
| KyleM1 | When screen came up screen 6 (volume) wasn't running...it was back to a prompt. | 23:15 |
| KyleM1 | I was able to create the test.pem key pair and launch an instance following the instructions in the quickstart guide. | 23:16 |
| KyleM1 | But when I tried to ssh into it I got a no route to host error. | 23:16 |
| KyleM1 | Any suggestions? | 23:16 |
| Ryan_Lane | KyleM1: you don't actually need nova-volume | 23:16 |
| KyleM1 | Okay. | 23:16 |
| Ryan_Lane | you also may need to add ssh to the default security group | 23:17 |
| Ryan_Lane | euca-authorize default -P tcp -p 22 -s 0.0.0.0/0 | 23:17 |
| KyleM1 | Hmm. | 23:17 |
| KyleM1 | I'll try that. | 23:17 |
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| KyleM1 | Hmm...last time I terminated nova by detaching from the screen as suggested in the quickstart guide. When I ran it again the euca tools are giving me connection failed errors: | 23:20 |
| KyleM1 | EC2_ACCESS_KEY environment variable must be set. | 23:20 |
| KyleM1 | That didn't happen last time...do I need to do more than detach the screen and wait for my prompt to come back to clean it up? | 23:21 |
| KyleM1 | It also appears to be cluttering the directory I run it from with files called something like "hostname.1234" which seem to be lock files of some kind. | 23:22 |
| dubsquared1 | Getting what seems to be a pretty obvious error here, but the files do indeed not exist…are they missing from the packages in /ppa and/or /trunk: http://paste.openstack.org/show/220/ | 23:26 |
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| Ryan_Lane | dubsquared1: you need to set the path | 23:29 |
| Ryan_Lane | dubsquared1: --state_path=/var/lib/nova | 23:29 |
| Ryan_Lane | if you are using a newer version (like trunk) | 23:29 |
| dubsquared1 | ahhh | 23:30 |
| dubsquared1 | i see | 23:30 |
| dubsquared1 | thank you! | 23:30 |
| Ryan_Lane | or --ca_path and --key_path otherwise | 23:30 |
| Ryan_Lane | or is it keys_path? | 23:30 |
| dubsquared1 | righto | 23:30 |
| dubsquared1 | can i just append that to the nova-manage, like the —flagpole ? | 23:30 |
| dubsquared1 | damn autocorrect | 23:31 |
| dendrobates | JordanRinke: your messages are getting held in moderation. Have you added the email address you are using to your lp account? | 23:32 |
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| dendrobates | JordanRinke: https://launchpad.net/~jordanrinke/+editemails | 23:35 |
| KyleM1 | Does anyone have any ideas why nova is complaining that the EC2_ACCESS_KEY env. variable isn't set the second time I use './nova.sh run'? | 23:38 |
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